Champion Guinn
and
Dorcas Williams

Conversations with and Notes from

Kathy Guinn Edwards

See our developing theory on the "As-of-yet Unrelated" Gwins.


The reformatting of the name font and census data for this page has NOT been completed. --John M. Gwin, Aug 2011




Kathy, you have quite a collection of data here! Thank you for sending it. I wish that we could connect it to our data--maybe we can soon! Please pardon my hodge-podge collection of our different contacts. I know there is a lot of repetition and overlap, but I'm slowly getting it all formatted and cleaned up. Meanwhile, keep sending things as you come across them!  :-)


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1.00--Champion (maybe just a nickname) Guinn, b. unk.; d. unk.; m. in Burke/Wilkes Co., NC, 1787 (JMG Note: The website, Washington Co., TN, Marriage Records, 1787-1799 -- http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnwashin/marriages/marr1787_99.htm -- says: "Guin, Champ -- Williams, Dorcas - 26 Dec 1787") to Dorcas Williams; Champ was in Carter Co., TN, in 1798  then in Franklin Co., TN, in 1830;
2.00--Charles Guinn
[KGE Note: Champion had a son Charles listed as mulatto (probably melungeon) whom he evidently endentured in 1791 until age 18 to a Richard Calloway and Rebekah Hutson (as shown above)

1.00--John Talley Guinn, b. 1726?;
2.00--John Guinn, b. 1800;
3.00--Elias Henderson Guinn, b. unk.; was in CSA cavalry; m1. Celis Scott? Scurlock?, m2. Sophia Berch;
4.00--William Johnny Guinn,
5.00--William Leonard Guinn,
6.00--Kathy Guinn, m. Mr. Edwards
3.00--William Guinn, b. unk.; was a blacksmith in Jackson Co., AL during Civil War
[KGE comments: Looking for John Talley Guinn, b about 1800 and John F. Guinn b about 1820.Not sure about dates but could look up. They were from TN or AL. ... Elias Henderson had a brother Wm who was a blacksmith in Jackson Co., AL during Civil War. ... They lived in Stevenson, AL in about 1860-80.]




They seemed to move to the same location that Richard did. 1798 Champ in Carter Co Tax List I think.
1820 in Lincoln Co., TN along with Daniel, Isham, Sally, William and others, and in 1830 in Franklin Co, TN and then to Jackson Co., AL. with William a blacksmith from VA.

There are some loose court records in Winchester, TN, I need to check out.  This might tell me something, if some were adopted, etc.  I think (not 100%) sure my direct line.  I think he was either dad or grandad of my Elias Henderson Guinn who was in CSA cavalry.

I was told my line was John Talley Guinn b. 1726 ??, John Guinn b. 1800, Elious Henderson and down the line.  Unless Sally who lived alone in Lincoln Co was John's wife and he either left or died I think Champion is the dad because he moved with the other Guinns.
Thanks
Kathy

From: John Gwin <jmcdgwin@zianet.com>
To: "kathy edwards" <kated35765@hotmail.com>
Subject: Note 2 Re: Isham Guinn
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:28:43 -0700

On Monday, January 17, 2005, at 09:39 AM, kathy edwards wrote:

If your Isham, Lincoln Co., TN, is related to my Champion, why do you think they went separate directions??  My Champion went to Franklin Co., TN.  William Guinn was in Stevenson, Jackson Co., also see "Stevenson Story".  He was a blacksmith from VA.
Kathy



From: "kathy edwards" <kated35765@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon Jan 24, 2005  11:59:42 PM US/Mountain
To: jmcdgwin@zianet.com
Subject: Isham

Do you think your Isham is the same one in Lincoln Co., TN 1820 Census? Where was yours in 1820?  What were some other names listed with him?

Kathy, my Isham Gwin was already in Indiana by 1820. He had owned 249 acres of land in Crowson's Cove, (also known as the Wear Valley) in Sevier Co., TN, and had kept slaves to run it.  But he hated slavery and preached against it (he was a Baptist preacher), and finally he freed his own slaves, sold his land, and moved to Harrison Co., IN, because it was a free state and there would be no slavery. Of course, his wife Mary and many of their own children and their families moved with him--Polly and her her husband Tom Walker, Elizabeth and her husband David Denton, Virginia Jane and her husband Mr. Tipton, and all of his younger, unmarried children: Richard W., Nancy, Sarah, and Manerva, all four of whom would marry in Indiana. But at least two (and we think probably three) of his other children evidently disagreed with their father and moved to Alabama so they could keep slaves--for sure William and his wife Susanah and John and his wife Jane, but we think a son Chesley, also.

The bottom line, then, is that your Isham of Lincoln Co., TN, and my Isham are--and have to be--two different people.
John

Is he related to James, John, Daniel and William in Green Co., TN 1800?

While there was a
Sally 16-26 F, a
Champion  2 16-26 Males and other males no females.,
Daniel oldest male 16-26 with one female 1 F 16-26 and one female 45 and over, and
Isham 3 M under 10, 1 M 26-45 and 2 F under 10, 1, 10-16 and 1 F 26-45, and
William16-26 with wife and kids.

I wonder how all these connect----there was one
Daniel1820 already in Franklin Co.,  1 M and 1 F 16-26 and also
Elias 1 M Und 10 and  l male and 1 female 16-26.  I wonder if this
Daniel was in Lincoln for census, mother or mother-in-law died, he moved to Franklin and census taker took his name again??

This Champion would probably have to be the son of the Champion in Burke/Wilkes Co., NC, Washington Co., TN.  since he was was married and had son by 1787.  Maybe Isham was his oldest and then the others his younger ones.

Any ideas??




From: "kathy edwards" <kated35765@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu May 13, 2004  03:11:23 PM US/Mountain
To: jmcdgwin@zianet.com
Subject: RE: Thanks for signing my Gwin guestbook!

My county is Jackson County, AL, and just up the mountain from where I was raised (through the woods a ways) was Franklin County, TN, where Champion Guinn lived and others.  Just haven't sorted it out yet.  I need to take a trip to Winchester courthouse/library, but just lazy, not much time off lately.

From: jmcdgwin@zianet.com
To: kated35765@hotmail.com
CC: jmcdgwin@zianet.com
Subject: Thanks for signing my Gwin guestbook!
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 12:09:29 -0600

Hello, Kathy--thanks for signing my guestbook--good to meet you!

Sunday 05/09/2004 2:50:42am
Name: Kathy Guinn Edwards
E-Mail: kated35765@hotmail.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL:
Referred By: Just Surfed In
Location: Alabama
*-----------Alabama! Wonderful! I hope to visit there (Dallas County) again this summer (2004).  What county is your home?
Comments: Looking for John Talley Guinn, b about 1800 and John F. Guinn b about 1820. Not sure about dates but could look up. They were from TN or AL.
I haven't heard of these gentlemen yet--at least I don't remember their names.  But I'd love to have you send me more about them so I can build you a page for them and put it on my website with the many other Gwins (all spellings) for whom I've already done that.  Have you seen those pages yet?  They're at my Richard Gwin page at:

http://www.zianet.com/jmcdgwin/GENEALOGY/SURNAMES/Gwin/gwinrichard.htm

Also Champion Guinn m. Dorcas Williams in Burk/Wilkes Co, NC and then to Winchester TN. This is my direct line but an old man John Guinn from Trion, GA, said John Talley was the oldest he could remember. So far I have:

Champion (maybe just a nickname),
Elias Henderson Guinn md Celis Scurlock,
Wm. Johnny,
Wm. Leonard and then
me.

*-----------I'm at work right now on my lunch hour, so I don't have time to look closely, but I'll get back in touch with you in a day or so.  Champion Gwin really rings a bell.
How many John Guinns were there???????
There were/are many of us!  :-)
The old man from Trion said the John T. Guinn had a brother Claypool who moved to KY. I do not know how he knows that. Elias Henderson had a brother Wm who was a blacksmith in Jackson Co., AL during Civil War.




I saw your info about Ishan/Isom Guinn. I have been trying to find Champion Guinn's family, he was b. probably NC/TN in about 1760-70 as he m. Dorcas Williams in Wilkes/Burke Co., NC later Washington Co., TN then later another county because of boundary changes.  Later he was in Franklin Co., TN about 1830-50 I forgot. Then his family was in Jackson Co., AL. Your info had a Champe Carter McCulloch in it. Could he have been named from him?  I also am looking for John Guinn who I was told was my direct line but I am having trouble finding him. Could Champion be a nickname? Any help appreciated.
Kathy Guinn Edwards




Hi,
It's me again.  Champion had a son/grandson (hard to tell for sure) Elious/Elias Henderson Guinn/Guin.  Elias had a brother William Guin who came from VA and was a blacksmith.  They lived in Stevenson, AL in about 1860-80 maybe.
Any info appreciated.  The Guinns not only are mixed up I think but spell name so many ways.




Isham Guin see Lincoln Co., TN 1820
He was oldest.  Listed was Sally, Daniel, Champion, William, maybe others.  He was 26-45 I think and all the others 16-26.  Wonder if Sally was a widow and John was her husband or John left her?? Maybe in army??




Also looking for Magills of PA.  I think my ggggrandad??
Charles Magill/McGill Hunter's mother was Dorcas McGill and his dad William Hunter.  Trying to find out without any luck. 
I think Gwinns/Guinns mostly came from VA. 
Isham Gwinn 1750 Montgomery Co., VA i had written in my miscellaneous notes.  Not sure where I got that though.






From: "kathy edwards" <kated35765@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon Jan 17, 2005  09:39:27 AM US/Mountain
To: JMcDGwin@zianet.com
Subject: Isham Guinn

If your Isham, Lincoln Co., TN is related to my Champion why do you think they went separate directions??  My Champion to Franklin Co., TN.  William Guinn was in Stevenson, Jackson Co., also see"Stevenson Story".  He was a blacksmith from VA.
Kathy

Kathy, I'm just guessing that they are related. If they are, I believe they are several generations apart. Perhaps my Isham is a second, third, or even more distant cousin to yours. John



From: "kathy edwards" <kated35765@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon Jan 17, 2005  11:20:31 AM US/Mountain
To: jmcdgwin@zianet.com
Subject: Re: Isham Guinn

I would like to have any info. on Champion you have.  He had a son Charles Champion I think.
You can find "The Stevenson Story' in the Jackson Co. Library, may be called "Scottsboro Library"
and probably get it on loan.  It does not have much about Guinns that I recall except to say William Guinn from Stevenson was a blacksmith from VA.

My relative, now dec'd many years, said his granddad told him stories of his grandad and william hiding behind a rock wall from the gunfire from civil war.





From: "kathy edwards" <kated35765@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon Jan 17, 2005  11:25:35 AM US/Mountain
To: jmcdgwin@zianet.com
Subject: RE: Note 2 Re: Isham Guinn

Isham is found in 1820 Lincoln Co., TN Census.  Also Champion, Daniel, Sally and others.
Champion was reported to be married to Dorcas Williams in Burke/Wilkes Co., NC 1787 which was also Washington Co., TN.  He endentured his son Charles (mulatto) probably melungeon to Richard Calloway and Rebekah Hutson 1791 until age 18.  Later Champ was in Carter 1798  then Franklin Co., TN 1830
Thanks,
Kathy




From: "kathy edwards" <kated35765@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue Feb 01, 2005  08:24:24 PM US/Mountain
To: <jmcdgwin@zianet.com>
Subject:

Isham Guinn is in Lincoln Co., TN, in 1820 with Champion, Daniel, William and Sally. He has some young kids and his age was 26 to 45. Would this be the right age??
 
Is this the same Isham or have you any knowledge of these people?  In Franklin Co, TN, and Jackson Co., AL, later I think.  I am almost sure William Guinn in Jackson Co., AL 1850-60 was from VA.




I saw your info about Isham/Isom Guinn. 

I have been trying to find Champion Guinn's family, he was b. probably NC/TN in about 1760-70 as he married Dorcus Williams in Wilkes/Burke Co., NC later Washington Co., TN then later another county because of boundary changes.  Later he was in Franklin Co., TN about 1830-50.

Then his family was in Jackson Co., AL

Your info had a Champe Carter McCulloch in it. 

Could he have been named from him. 

I also am looking for John Guinn who I was told was my direct lin but I am having trouble finding him. 

Could Champion be a nickname? 

Champion had a son/grandson (hard to tell for sure) Elious/Elias Henderson Guinn/Guin

Elias had a brother William Guin who came from VA and was a blacksmith. 

They lived in Stevenson, AL in about 1860-80 maybe.

Any info appreciated.  The Guinns not only are mixed up I think but spell name so many ways.

Kathy Guinn Edwards




1. gwin.htm
http://www.zianet.com/jmcdgwin/GENEALOGY/SURNAMES/Gwin/gwin.htm
G w i n Return to Genealogy Section, Personal Information page My father's oldest brother, James Bassett ...
... 1940 6.1-- william henderson gwin B. 17 aug 1883; D. 23 nov 1965; M. ...
 

3. nancieosullivan.htm
http://www.zianet.com/jmcdgwin/nancieosullavin.htm
Line of Nancie O'Sullavin Return to Gwin Page Return to Home Page Return to Surnames in Genealogical ...
... gwinn , M. charles henderson 6.8-- imogene gwinn , M. rev. hiram ...





From: "kathy edwards" <kated35765@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed Feb 15, 2006  10:09:10 PM US/Mountain
To: JMcDGwin@zianet.com
Subject: Gwin's

Hello,
I saw an old post I had made and you said to send what I had on Champion.  I don't remember if I ever did that or not so here it is.  I hope you can fit him in somewhere.

1840 Census  Franklin Co., TN
Champion Guinn,
Daniel,
Mrs. Sarah,
Wm. ,
Elisha,
Mrs Uriah
I think this was a younger Champion but not sure or maybe he moved back and forth.  It is very close to Jackson Co., AL.

One John T. Guinn was in Washington Co., TN Roll #535 at the time.
Do you have info on him and is he related to Champion??  Was he brother??

Champion Guin, family 2,   5th Co. Morgan Dist, Burke Co.,  NC  census 1790
1830 Jackson Co., AL
Champion Guinn  M...........1....70/80...........F...........1....60/70...........1....15/20...........1....20/30...........1....5/10

Also a Daniel age 30/40 and a John age 40/50 listed

There is a Chamby Gwin1823 and 1821 listed ion Little Doe Creek prob Carter Co. TN

A Champion Guinn on 1798 Carter Co., TN Tax List I think.

Champion Guinn md. 12/26/1787 Burke or Wilkes Co., NC or called Washington Co., TN to Dorcas Williams

There was a Champion Guinn  3 M under 10,  2 M 10/16 and 2 M 16/26 in Lincoln Co. TN 1820
This was the younger Champion but was he son to Champion Sr.?
Also listed was Sally age 16/26 lived alone,
Daniel.........16/26,
Isham...........26/45, and
William......16/26

1840 Franklin Co., TN
Champion Guinn 10011 - 100001  Whatever the ages were for M/F
Also listed were
Daniel,
Mr. Sarah,
Wm Gunn, and
Elisha Gunn

Also, do you know who the John Guinn was who md Emily L. Shryock Nov. 4, 1822  wit. Daniel Guinn  in Carter co. TN?
One older man said there was a Scurlock in the family who md John Guinn, this comes as close as I can find but do not know anymore about John and Emily.

Franklin Co., TN  Champion Guinn to Rebecca Jackson  10/16/1841
Probably younger Champ?? Also in 1838 and around that time Champion Guinn was always having to go to court here and pay fines?  He was usually with some with last name Willliams.
 

Would also like to know who Polly Guinn md Issac Blanton  Dec. 27, 1821 in Mogan Co., AL Was she kin to these.  I think her name was Mary "Polly"

Also who are these Guins:

Wm. Guin wills to sons John and Wm. all lands to be divided between them, land adjoins Elijah Guin to fence that divides my land from John Guin's and the son's to take their mother to live with one or the other of them and both support her.  To son Elton $30.00, son Elijah, Ezekial, Elias, dau. Mary 5 shillings each.  Found in Book 7  1808-1816 pg. 467  2-18-1814 proved 11-1814--I think Granville Co., NC??   There is one Ezekeal age 16/26 in Sumner Co., TN in 1820 Others were John, Isaac, Edwin? Jr., James, James Jr.

Also, sorry to ask so many question, but do you know who the 1870 Jackson Al census Long Island guinns were?
Guinn, P.H............58...........carpenter...........b.1812...........GA What did P.H. stand for??  Was this the Guinns from Dade Co., GA?  It is within 30 min or less from Jackson Co., AL
Sarah C...................53.......................................1817...........GA
Williams, Wm. N....39...........carpenter...........b.1831...........GA
Catherine.................32....................................b.1838...........GA
and all their kids





From: "Kathy Edwards" <kated35765athotmaildotcom>
Date: August 27, 2008
To: <jmcdgwin@zianet.com>
Subject: As of Yet Unrelated Gwins


Can you post these on the "as of yet unrelated" Gwins?  I would like to know who these are as I was told our line--the John Guinn who was in 1830 Jackson Co., AL, had a brother Claiborn who went to KY.  The only one I could find was in 1850 Scott Co., IL.
 
I got this by typing "free census online", and then going to the state/county.

GWINN          Claiboren      49   M         Farmer         500       Va

GWINN          Sarah             50   F                                           Va

WOOD           John               15   M                                          IL

WOOD           Sarah              12   F                                           IL

GWINN          Sarah M.        13   F                                           IL

GWINN          James             10   M                                          IL
 
GWINN          Nathan F.       6    M                                           IL

WOOD           Martha           11   F                                            IL

WOOD           Archie            8    M                                           IL





 


Following is the master copy of the above.









From: "kathy edwards" <kated35765@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon Jan 24, 2005  10:57:42 PM US/Mountain
To: jmcdgwin@zianet.com
Subject: RE: Note 2 Re: Isham Guinn

Champion Guinn in Burke/Wilkes Co. NC 1787 when he was md. to Dorcas Williams.
Had son Charles listed as mulatto (probably melungeon) to a Richard Calloway.  They seemed to move to the same location that Richard moved to.  1798 Champ in Carter Co Tax List I think.
1820 in Lincoln Co., TN along with Daniel, Isham, Sally, William and others. and in 1830 in Franklin Co, TN and then to Jackson Co., AL. with William a blacksmith from VA.
There are some loose court records in Winchester TN I need to check out.  This might tell me something, if some were adopted etc.  I think (not 100%) sure my direct line.  I think he was either dad or grandad of my Elious Henderson Guinn who was in CSA cavalry.
I was told my line was John Talley Guinn b. 1726 ??, John Guinn b. 1800, Elious Henderson and down the line.  Unless Sally who lived alone in Lincoln Co was John's wife and he either left or died I think Champion is the dad because he moved with the other Guinns.
Thanks
Kathy

From: John Gwin <jmcdgwin@zianet.com>
To: "kathy edwards" <kated35765@hotmail.com>
Subject: Note 2 Re: Isham Guinn
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:28:43 -0700

On Monday, January 17, 2005, at 09:39 AM, kathy edwards wrote:

If your Isham, Lincoln Co., TN is related to my Champion why do you think they went separate directions??  My Champion to Franklin Co., TN.  William Guinn was in Stevenson, Jackson Co., also see"Stevenson Story".  He was a blacksmith from VA.
Kathy
Kathy, I thought I had the info on your Champion G. listed in my collection of as-of-yet-unrelated Gwins--but I can't find it! Can you please send me again what you have on him?
Thanks!  :-)
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From: "kathy edwards" <kated35765@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon Jan 24, 2005  11:59:42 PM US/Mountain
To: jmcdgwin@zianet.com
Subject: Isham

Do you think your Isham is the same one in Lincoln Co., TN 1820 Census?
Where was yours in 1820?  What were some other names listed with him?

Is he related to James, John, Daniel and William in Green Co., TN 1800?

While there was a Sally 16-26 F, a Champion  2 16-26 Males and other males no females.,
Daniel oldest male 16-26 with one female 1 F 16-26 and one female 45 and over,
and Isham 3 M under 10, 1 M 26-45 and 2 F under 10, 1, 10-16 and 1 F 26-45,
and William16-26 with wife and kids.  I wonder how all these connect----there was one
Daniel1820 already in Franklin Co.,  1 M and 1 F 16-26 and also Elias 1 M Und 10 and  l male and 1 female 16-26.  I wonder if this daniel was in Lincoln for census, mother or mother-in-law died, he moved to Franklin and census taker took his name again.??

This Champion would probably have to be the son of the Champion in Burke/Wilkes Co., NC, Washington Co., TN.  since he was was md and had son by 1787.  Maybe Isham was his oldest and then the others his younger ones.

Any ideas??




From: "kathy edwards" <kated35765@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu May 13, 2004  03:11:23 PM US/Mountain
To: jmcdgwin@zianet.com
Subject: RE: Thanks for signing my Gwin guestbook!

My county is Jackson County, AL.  Just up the mountain from where I was raised (through the woods a ways) was Franklin County TN where Champion Guinn lived and others.  Just haven't sorted it out yet.  I need to take a trip to Winchester courthouse/library but just lazy, not much time off lately.

From: jmcdgwin@zianet.com
To: kated35765@hotmail.com
CC: jmcdgwin@zianet.com
Subject: Thanks for signing my Gwin guestbook!
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 12:09:29 -0600

Hello, Kathy--thanks for signing my guestbook--good to meet you!

Sunday 05/09/2004 2:50:42am
Name: Kathy Guinn Edwards
E-Mail: kated35765@hotmail.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL:
Referred By: Just Surfed In
Location: Alabama
*-----------Alabama! Wonderful! I hope to visit there (Dallas County) again this summer.  What county is your home?
Comments: Looking for John Talley Guinn, b about 1800 and John F. Guinn b about 1820.Not sure about dates but could look up. They were from TN or AL.
I haven't heard of these gentlemen yet--at least I don't remember their names.  But I'd love to have you send me more about them so I can build you a page for them and put it on my website with the many other Gwins (all spellings) for whom I've already done that.  Have you seen those pages yet?  They're at my Richard Gwin page very close to the top.  It's at:

http://www.zianet.com/jmcdgwin/gwinrichard.htm

Also Champion Guinn md Dorcus Williams in Burk/Wilkes Co, NC and then to Winchester TN. This is my direct line but an old man John Guinn from Trion GA said John Talley was the oldest he could remember. So far I have Champion (maybe just a nickname), Elias Henderson Guinn md Celis Scurlock, Wm. Johnny , Wm. Leonard and then me.
*-----------I'm at work right now on my lunch hour, so I don't have time to look closely, but I'll get back in touch with you in a day or so.  Champion Gwin really rings a bell.
How many John Guinns were there???????
There were/are many of us!  :-)
The old man from Trion said the John T. Guinn had a brother Claypool that moved to KY. I do not know how he knows. Elias Henderson had a brother Wm who was a blacksmith in Jackson Co., AL during Civil War.
Any info????
I'll get back in touch soon.  Meanwhile, if you'd care to write again, please do!
Best to you,
In Jesus,
John Gwin




From: "kathy edwards" <kated35765@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu Jul 15, 2004  05:22:34 AM US/Mountain
To: jmcdgwin@zianet.com
Subject: RE: Thanks for signing my Gwin guestbook!

/good to meet you too.  I am from Jackson Co., AL,  Where is Dallas Co., AL??

From: jmcdgwin@zianet.com
To: kated35765@hotmail.com
CC: jmcdgwin@zianet.com
Subject: Thanks for signing my Gwin guestbook!
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 12:09:29 -0600

Hello, Kathy--thanks for signing my guestbook--good to meet you!

Sunday 05/09/2004 2:50:42am
Name: Kathy Guinn Edwards
E-Mail: kated35765@hotmail.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL:
Referred By: Just Surfed In
Location: Alabama
*-----------Alabama! Wonderful! I hope to visit there (Dallas County) again this summer.  What county is your home?
Comments: Looking for John Talley Guinn, b about 1800 and John F. Guinn b about 1820.Not sure about dates but could look up. They were from TN or AL.
I haven't heard of these gentlemen yet--at least I don't remember their names.  But I'd love to have you send me more about them so I can build you a page for them and put it on my website with the many other Gwins (all spellings) for whom I've already done that.  Have you seen those pages yet?  They're at my Richard Gwin page very close to the top.  It's at:

http://www.zianet.com/jmcdgwin/gwinrichard.htm

Also Champion Guinn md Dorcus Williams in Burk/Wilkes Co, NC and then to Winchester TN. This is my direct line but an old man John Guinn from Trion GA said John Talley was the oldest he could remember. So far I have Champion (maybe just a nickname), Elias Henderson Guinn md Celis Scurlock, Wm. Johnny , Wm. Leonard and then me.
*-----------I'm at work right now on my lunch hour, so I don't have time to look closely, but I'll get back in touch with you in a day or so.  Champion Gwin really rings a bell.
How many John Guinns were there???????
There were/are many of us!  :-)
The old man from Trion said the John T. Guinn had a brother Claypool that moved to KY. I do not know how he knows. Elias Henderson had a brother Wm who was a blacksmith in Jackson Co., AL during Civil War.
Any info????
I'll get back in touch soon.  Meanwhile, if you'd care to write again, please do!

Best to you,
In Jesus,
John Gwin




I saw your info about Ishan/Isom Guinn.  I have been trying to find Champion Guinn's family, he was b. probably NC/TN in about 1760-70 as he md Dorcus Williams in Wilkes/Burke Co., NC later Washington Co., TN then later another county because of boundary changes.  Later he was in Franklin Co., TN about 1830-50 I forgot. Then his family was in Jackson Co., AL.  Your info had a Champe Carter McCulloch in it.  Could he have been named from him.  I also am looking for John Guinn who I was told was my direct line but I am having trouble finding him.  Could Champion be a nickname. Any help appreciated.
Kathy Guinn Edwards




Hi,
It's me again.  Champion had a son/grandson (hard to tell for sure) Elious/Elias Henderson Guinn/Guin.  Elias had a brother William Guin who came from VA and was a blacksmith.  They lived in Stevenson, AL in about 1860-80 maybe.
Any info appreciated.  The Guinns not only are mixed up I think but spell name so many ways.




Isham Guin see Lincoln Co., TN 1820
He was oldest.  Listed was Sally, Daniel, Champion, William, maybe others.  He was 26-45 I think and all the others 16-26.  Wonder if Sally was a widow and John was her husband or John left her?? Maybe in army??




Also looking for Magills of PA.  I think my ggggrandad??
Charles Magill/McGill Hunter's mother was Dorcas McGill and his dad William Hunter.  Trying to find out without any luck. 
I think Gwinns/Guinns mostly came from VA. 
Isham Gwinn 1750 Montgomery Co., VA i had written in my
miscellaneous notes.  Not sure where I got that though.




From: "kathy edwards" <kated35765@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon Jan 10, 2005  05:19:37 AM US/Mountain
To: JMcDGwin@zianet.com
Subject: Gwin

If this is your Isham Guinn in Lincoln Co., TN 1820 why do you think he went to Montgomery Co., VA to get md??  Do you think they originated there?  Do you have his bro/sist for sure and dad??






From: "kathy edwards" <kated35765@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon Jan 17, 2005  09:39:27 AM US/Mountain
To: JMcDGwin@zianet.com
Subject: Isham Guinn

If your Isham, Lincoln Co., TN is related to my Champion why do you think they went separate directions??  My Champion to Franklin Co., TN.  William Guinn was in Stevenson, Jackson Co., also see"Stevenson Story".  He was a blacksmith from VA.
Kathy




From: "kathy edwards" <kated35765@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon Jan 17, 2005  11:20:31 AM US/Mountain
To: jmcdgwin@zianet.com
Subject: Re: Isham Guinn

I would like to have any info. on Champion you have.  He had a son Charles Champion I think.
You can find "The Stevenson Story' in the Jackson Co. Library, may be called "Scottsboro Library"
and probably get it on loan.  It does not have much about Guinns that I recall except to say William Guinn from Stevenson was a blacksmith from VA.

My relative, now dec'd many years, said his granddad told him stories of his grandad and william hiding behind a rock wall from the gunfire from civil war.

From: John Gwin <jmcdgwin@zianet.com>
To: "kathy edwards" <kated35765@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Isham Guinn
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:05:58 -0700

On Monday, January 17, 2005, at 09:39 AM, kathy edwards wrote:

If your Isham, Lincoln Co., TN is related to my Champion why do you think they went separate directions??  My Champion to Franklin Co., TN.  William Guinn was in Stevenson, Jackson Co., also see"Stevenson Story".  He was a blacksmith from VA.
Kathy
Hi, Kathy!
Good to hear from you--you raise some interesting questions.
I believe (but cannot prove!) that all these Gwins--of every spelling--are related. Of course they all are, but I mean on THIS side of the Atlantic!  :-)

I think I have your info on Champion, but I'm not sure I have your info on this William. Where can I find the "Stevenson Story"?

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From: "kathy edwards" <kated35765@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon Jan 17, 2005  11:25:35 AM US/Mountain
To: jmcdgwin@zianet.com
Subject: RE: Note 2 Re: Isham Guinn

Isham is found in 1820 Lincoln Co., TN Census.  Also Champion, Daniel, Sally and others.
Champion was reported to be md to Dorcas Williams Burke/Wilkes Co., NC 1787 which was also Washington Co., TN.  He endentured his son Charles (mulatto) probably melungeon to Richard Calloway and Rebekah Hutson 1791 until age 18.  Later Champ was in Carter 1798  then Franklin Co., TN 1830
Thanks,
Kathy

From: John Gwin <jmcdgwin@zianet.com>
To: "kathy edwards" <kated35765@hotmail.com>
Subject: Note 2 Re: Isham Guinn
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:28:43 -0700

On Monday, January 17, 2005, at 09:39 AM, kathy edwards wrote:

If your Isham, Lincoln Co., TN is related to my Champion why do you think they went separate directions??  My Champion to Franklin Co., TN.  William Guinn was in Stevenson, Jackson Co., also see"Stevenson Story".  He was a blacksmith from VA.
Kathy
Kathy, I thought I had the info on your Champion G. listed in my collection of as-of-yet-unrelated Gwins--but I can't find it! Can you please send me again what you have on him?
Thanks!  :-)
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From: "kathy edwards" <kated35765@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue Feb 01, 2005  08:24:24 PM US/Mountain
To: <jmcdgwin@zianet.com>
Subject:

Isham Guinn is in Lincoln (sic) Co., TN, in 1820 with Champion, Daniel, William and Sally. He has some young kids and his age was 26 to 45. Would this be the right age??
 
Is this the same Isham or have you any knowledge of these people?  In Franklin Co, TN, and Jackson Co., AL, later I think.  I am almost sure William Guinn in Jackson Co., AL 1850-60 was from VA.

From the 7 Aug 1820 Census of Jackson (not Lincoln) Co., TN

Free White Males
Free White Females


Under 10 10 - 15
16 - 25
26 - 44 Under 10 10 - 15 16 - 25 26 - 44 Number of Persons Engaged in Agriculture
John M. Gwin Comments:
William Gwinn


1

2

1

1
William is listed as living only a few doors away from Isham and Champion.
Isham Gwinn
3


1
2
1

1
1
My gggg-grandfather, Isham Gwin, moved from Sevier Co., Tennessee, to Harrison County, Indiana, with all of his family but two or three sons who moved to Alabama.  These moves occurred before 1820, as each appears in the respective 1820 censuses.  This Isham Gwinn, then, has to be of another Gwin line.
Champion Gwinn
3
2
2





3
Champion is listed immediately after the Isham above, indicating that they lived next door to each other.





I saw your info about Isham/Isom Guinn. 

I have been trying to find Champion Guinn's family, he was b. probably NC/TN in about 1760-70 as he md Dorcus Williams in Wilkes/Burke Co., NC later Washington Co., TN then later another county because of boundary changes. 

Later he was in Franklin Co., TN about 1830-50 I forgot.

Then his family was in Jackson Co., AL

Your info had a Champe Carter McCulloch in it. 

Could he have been named from him. 

I also am looking for John Guinn who I was told was my direct lin but I am having trouble finding him. 

Could Champion be a nickname? 

Champion had a son/grandson (hard to tell for sure) Elious/Elias Henderson Guinn/Guin

Elias had a brother William Guin who came from VA and was a blacksmith. 

They lived in Stevenson, AL in about 1860-80 maybe.

Any info appreciated.  The Guinns not only are mixed up I think but spell name so many ways.

Kathy Guinn Edwards




1. gwin.htm
http://www.zianet.com/jmcdgwin/GENEALOGY/SURNAMES/Gwin/gwin.htm
G w i n Return to Genealogy Section, Personal Information page My father's oldest brother, James Bassett ...
... 1940 6.1-- william henderson gwin B. 17 aug 1883; D. 23 nov 1965; M. ...
 

3. nancieosullivan.htm
http://www.zianet.com/jmcdgwin/nancieosullavin.htm
Line of Nancie O'Sullavin Return to Gwin Page Return to Home Page Return to Surnames in Genealogical ...
... gwinn , M. charles henderson 6.8-- imogene gwinn , M. rev. hiram ...





From: "kathy edwards" <kated35765@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed Feb 15, 2006  10:09:10 PM US/Mountain
To: JMcDGwin@zianet.com
Subject: Gwin's

Hello,
I saw an old post I had made and you said to send what I had on Champion.  I don't remember if I ever did that or not so here it is.  I hope you can fit him in somewhere.

1840 Census  Franklin Co., TN
Champion Guinn,
Daniel,
Mrs. Sarah,
Wm. ,
Elisha,
Mrs Uriah
I think this was a younger Champion but not sure or maybe he moved back and forth.  It is very close to Jackson Co., AL.

One John T. Guinn was in Washington Co., TN Roll #535 at the time.
Do you have info on him and is he related to Champion??  Was he brother??

Champion Guin, family 2,   5th Co. Morgan Dist, Burke Co.,  NC  census 1790
1830 Jackson Co., AL
Champion Guinn  M...........1....70/80...........F...........1....60/70...........1....15/20...........1....20/30...........1....5/10

Also a Daniel age 30/40 and a John age 40/50 listed

There is a Chamby Gwin1823 and 1821 listed ion Little Doe Creek prob Carter Co. TN

A Champion Guinn on 1798 Carter Co., TN Tax List I think.

Champion Guinn md. 12/26/1787 Burke or Wilkes Co., NC or called Washington Co., TN to Dorcas Williams

There was a Champion Guinn  3 M under 10,  2 M 10/16 and 2 M 16/26 in Lincoln Co. TN 1820
This was the younger Champion but was he son to Champion Sr.?
Also listed was Sally age 16/26 lived alone,
Daniel.........16/26,
Isham...........26/45, and
William......16/26

1840 Franklin Co., TN
Champion Guinn 10011 - 100001  Whatever the ages were for M/F
Also listed were
Daniel,
Mr. Sarah,
Wm Gunn, and
Elisha Gunn

Also, do you know who the John Guinn was who md Emily L. Shryock Nov. 4, 1822  wit. Daniel Guinn  in Carter co. TN?
One older man said there was a Scurlock in the family who md John Guinn, this comes as close as I can find but do not know anymore about John and Emily.

Franklin Co., TN  Champion Guinn to Rebecca Jackson  10/16/1841
Probably younger Champ?? Also in 1838 and around that time Champion Guinn was always having to go to court here and pay fines?  He was usually with some with last name Willliams.
 

Would also like to know who Polly Guinn md Issac Blanton  Dec. 27, 1821 in Mogan Co., AL Was she kin to these.  I think her name was Mary "Polly"

Also who are these Guins:

Wm. Guin wills to sons John and Wm. all lands to be divided between them, land adjoins Elijah Guin to fence that divides my land from John Guin's and the son's to take their mother to live with one or the other of them and both support her.  To son Elton $30.00, son Elijah, Ezekial, Elias, dau. Mary 5 shillings each.  Found in Book 7  1808-1816 pg. 467  2-18-1814 proved 11-1814--I think Granville Co., NC??   There is one Ezekeal age 16/26 in Sumner Co., TN in 1820 Others were John, Isaac, Edwin? Jr., James, James Jr.

Also, sorry to ask so many question, but do you know who the 1870 Jackson Al census Long Island guinns were?
Guinn, P.H............58...........carpenter...........b.1812...........GA What did P.H. stand for??  Was this the Guinns from Dade Co., GA?  It is within 30 min or less from Jackson Co., AL
Sarah C...................53.......................................1817...........GA
Williams, Wm. N....39...........carpenter...........b.1831...........GA
Catherine.................32....................................b.1838...........GA
and all their kids

Sorry so many questions, but thought I'd put people in that I thought were connected. We have probably been over this before but I can't remember.

Kathy





 



From: "Kathy Edwards" <kated35765athotmaildotcom>
Date: August 27, 2008
To: <jmcdgwin@zianet.com>
Subject: As of Yet Unrelated Gwins


Can you post these on the "as of yet unrelated" Gwins?  I would like to know who these are, as I was told our line--the John Guinn who was in 1830 Jackson Co., AL, had a brother Claiborn who went to KY.  The only one I could find was in 1850 Scott Co., IL.
 
I got this by typing "free census online", and then going to the state/county.

GWINN          Claiboren      49   M         Farmer         500       Va

GWINN          Sarah             50   F                                           Va

WOOD           John               15   M                                          IL

WOOD           Sarah              12   F                                           IL

GWINN          Sarah M.        13   F                                           IL

GWINN          James             10   M                                          IL
 
GWINN          Nathan F.       6    M                                           IL

WOOD           Martha           11   F                                            IL

WOOD           Archie            8    M                                           IL