WilsonMaryJaneancestofHellenKayBlake

The date is wrong on the birth date for Matilda but is abt 1895 born in OK. On one she is listed--it's very hard to read the 1910 census--looks like Minnie?
Matilda Phillips Williams died 1930, Clayton, Oklahoma; Bondolla died 1930 and Floy died also in 1930.

mary jane wilson-hagewood with the family on 1885 indian census. She filed for Indian rights but could not prove. she was IW 1509. and rejected 5962 and 212? but she put on these born 1845 which time back then did not matter much and if shes was like my mom--she was 39 for years--ha!!! And also said Jesse Wilson as father on the dawes. She got land from what we were told choctaw nation off the tiner man. around 1906. On one 1896? she put Jesse Wilson was from Tennessee, but maybe he was an uncle or brother?? and Hagewoods were not allowed to file because she went back on Leroy Tinner .

Also my mother married first Lloyd Morris in OK--I have forgotten where. They married lived in Clayton, OK--my mom was 15 at the time.
But she said the judge was drunk and they put down Ree Williams instead of Irene. She lost a baby boy, a day or so after birth. He was Dewey Morris.

In 1943 she married my dad, George Walter Sisson; they moved first to Fannin Co., TX; we were all born in Honey Grove, TX, then moved to West Texas and lived for years. I am in Amarillo, TX.

We went to Oklahoma lots of times, especially to Clayton, OK, to visit the Old Memorial Park Cemetery. We went to McAlester, OK, and visited Uncle Alvie--Alva Phillips, lovely man. He had a full headdress and danced for us and taught us to play Indian ball like you see now. They were Indian. Most of our Phillips kin are from there and buried there. There's more, but I will let you know as I remember.

artie m and matilda phillips-williams
they were in push county and pittsburg co ok.
the children are my uncles.
also grandpa artie m williams had a blacksmith shop at one time when i was abt 6 yrs old we went to visit at their home they lived in the back of the store. matilda had died in 1930.must have been 1958.he was married to francis williams. he also had a store in front. but i do not know if he owned it or not. it was in clayton, ok

Some Pertinent Census Data

From the 1885 Census of Atoka County, Choctaw Nation (now Atoka County, OK), page 7

Entry No.

Name

Age

Sex

Race
(Ind, Wht, Clrd)

Occ.

Acres
Cultvd.

No.
Horses

No.
Cattle

No.
Hogs

No. Bu.
Corn

No. Bu.
Oats

Misc.
Other

John M. Gwin Comments

212

Michael L. Hagewood

white

farmer

100

200

120

Citizen by marriage

This is clearly Kay's family in 1885, living in Atoka Co.; however, the comment that he is a "citizen by marriage" (i.e., citizen of the Choctaw nation) tells me that Mary Jane is Choctaw by birth and I'm not sure that our Mary Jane Wilson (d/o Ezekiel Monroe Wilson and Sarah Jane Cole of AL and AR) had any Choctaw blood. This is the first indicator we have that our two Mary Jane Wilsons are NOT the same.

213

Mary Jane Hagewood

Our Mary Jane Wilson (d/o Ezekiel Monroe Wilson and Sarah Jane Cole of AL and AR) was age 21 in the 1870 census of Dallas Co., AL, 11 in 1860, and 2 in 1850. If she were one and the same with Kay's Mary Jane (shown here as age 40), her actual age would be ca. 36, not 40. I've seen evidence that women did lie about their ages in census interviews, but never a lie that they were older, only younger. This is the second indicator we have that our two Mary Jane Wilsons are NOT the same.

214

Jasper Newton Tiner

215

Caroline Tiner

216

Joseph Marion Hagewood

217

Eli, Elijah Hagewood

1 (7?)

218

Melinda Victor Ree Hagewood

219

Perlucy Arizona Hagewood

220

Iraline Ten^us Hagewood

221

James Hagewood

From the 2 Feb 1920 Census of Tuskahoma Twp., Pushmataha Co., OK

Res/Fam	Name	Relat 2HoH	Race/ Sex	Age	[Est. DOB]	Marr. Stat.	POB S/F/M	Occupation	Other	John M. Gwin Comments
410/415	Artie Williams	head	wm	38	1882	m	TX/AL/AL	blacksmith; owns shop		This is definitely our Artie and Matilda, but look at her and her parents' POB--Missouri! Wouldn't Matilda and her parents have been born in OK? Of course, parts of MO are right across the line from OK, so it's a possiblilty that they could've been born in MO. And looking back at what Kay sent me, no claim is made for any of these to have been BORN in OK, only married. Regardless, these children are the same as those listed in the 1930 census, so the families are the same.
	Matilda Williams	wife	wf	37	1883	m	MO/MO/MO
	Gondola Williams	daughter	wf	11	1909	s	TX/TX/MO
	Louis Williams	son	wm	9	1911	s	TX/TX/MO
	Artie Williams	son	wm	7	1913	s	OK/TX/MO
	Wilburn Williams	son	wm	50mos.	Dec 1915	s	OK/TX/MO

yes ezekiel monroe and sarah jane cole wilson. and just to help ?? mama always mentioned a sookey--sukey--sukie and a cole.

the date is wrong on the birth date for matilda but is abt 1895 born in ok. on one she is listed, very hard to read 1910 census looks like minnie?
matilda phillips williams died 1930 clayton, oklahoma bondolla died 1930 and floy died also in 1930.

mary jane wilson-hagewood with the family on 1885 indian census. . she filed for indian rights but could not prove. she was IW 1509. and rejected 5962 and 212? but she put on these born 1845 which time back then did not matter much and if shes was like my mom she was 39 for years ha!!!. and also said jesse wilson as father on the dawes. she got land from what we were told choctaw nation off the tiner man. around 1906. on one 1896? she put jesse wilson was from tennessee but maybe he was uncle or brother?? and hagewood were not allowed to file because she went back on leroy tinner .

also my mother married first lloyd morris in ok. i have forgotten
where.they married lived in clayton, ok my mom was 15 at the time.
but she said the judge was drunk and they put down ree williams instead of irene. she lost a baby boy,after birth a day or so.he was dewey morris.

1943 married my dad george walter sisson they moved 1st to fannin county, tx we were all born honey grove tx. then to west texas and lived for years. i am in amarillo, tx.we went to ok lots of times we
also went to clayton, ok to visit the cemetary. old memorial park cemetery. we went to mcalester, ok and visited uncle alvie --alva phillips, lovely man. he had full head dead and danced for us and taught us to play indian ball like you see now.they were indian .
most phillips kin are from there. most are buried there.
theres more but i will let you know as i remember.

hello
yes i do wish we had known i would have loved visiting with you and your family. my mother i wish lived close but shes 260 miles from me. when my daughter in law in law has time to have them developed she's a busy 23 year old mom 3 kids 5-4- 9mo she is a cancer survivor.

artie m and matilda phillips-williams
they were in push county and pittsburg co ok.
the children are my uncles.
also grandpa artie m williams had a blacksmith shop at one time when i was abt 6 yrs old we went to visit at their home they lived in the back of the store. matilda had died in 1930.must have been 1958.he was married to francis williams. he also had a store in front. but i do not know if he owned it or not. it was in clayton, ok
well heres a little more.
write when you get time and thank you so much

kay

Possible (Though Perhaps Farfetched) Connections

From Genforum.com (wilson surname)

Washington Wilson, & Mahala? 1844; Ala
Posted by: Kathy Wilson Kemp	Date: January 25, 2001 at 16:25:42
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Washington (Wash) Wilson & Mahaley (Hailey)_____? Any info as to when/where they were married will be greatly appreciated. Have hit a brick wall! Wash bc.1822-1825 S,C. or Ala.d:U/K. md. Mahaley ( Hailey _____? 1844. She b 1826 Ala. Believe to be Native American--Choctaw or Creek not sure. My father always said Choctaw.

Children are: ALL (POSSIBLY) 1/2 CHOCTAW--POSSIBLE WILSON DESCENDANTS (ALL VIABLE CHOCTAW CITIZENS)

Ezekiel Birdine Wilson b. 1845 md. Augusta Estella Baxter. d. 1880 Kemper Co., Ms.

Julius Wilson b. 1849

Elizabeth Jane Wilson (Sallie - Sarah Jane) b. 1849

Francis (Fannie) Wilson b. 1857 md Joseph Allen Hutton.

Julia (Bettie - Sallie) Wilson b. 1852 buried: Pleasant Apr. Preston, Ms.

Henry H. (Harry - H.H.) Wilson b. 1855

Philmore (Phil) Willard Wilson b. 18 April 1860

Emily M. (Emma) Wilson b. 1860 md _____Landrum.

Mary E. (Mollie) Wilson b. 1864 md. M.A.Van Devender

Virginia C.(Gennie) Wilson b. 1868 md. Marion Garrett

Ella b. 1870 d. 1940 never married.

Kay,

I'm fairly certain that my Mary Jane Wilson (daughter of Ezekiel Monroe Wilson and Sarah Jane Cole) is not your Mary Jane Wilson.

However...

...here's another interesting possibility--actually two.

From the 1885 Census , above, we know that your Mary Jane was b. ca. 1845.

That places her at the right age to be the second-born child of Washington and Hailey Wilson--and Hailey is alleged to be of the Choctaw nation.

The above Genforum post was made by my late 5th cousin Kathy Kemp. I've modified it slightly here, primarily to add the red highlights and and green comments. I built this Chart One to show how you and I would be related IF--IF--IF your Mary Jane Wilson is a daughter of Wash and Hailey Wilson. Now look at Chart Two.

CHART ONE:

Ezekiel Burdine Wilson's line	Relationship	Nathaniel Burdine Wilson's line
Ezekiel Burdine Wilson I m. Sarah H. Rasco	siblings	Nathaniel Burdine Wilson m1. Jane Jones
Washington Wilson m. Mahala "Haley" (nee unk.), allegedly Choctaw	1st Cousins	Roseanne "Roe" Carlisle Jones Wilson m. William Gwin
????????Mary Jane Wilson?????? b. ca. 1845	2nd Cousins	William Sutton "Sutt" Gwin m. Ida E. Basset
Malinda	3rd Cousins	James B. Gwin m. Adrian Belle Vardaman
Matilda	4th Cousins	Adrian Sutton Gwin m. Dorothy Lee Keeney
Irene	5th Cousins	John M. Gwin m. Sharon L. Hamrick
Kay	6th Cousins	John's and Sharon's kids

CHART TWO:

Here is a summary of Wash and Haily's known kids (copied directly from our page for E. B. Wilson I:	born:	died:	married:
25.01--E. B. Wilson (III) 25.02--Elizabeth Jane "Sallie", "Sarah" Wilson 25.03--Julia "Bettie" (or "Sallie") Wilson 25.04--Henry H. "Harry" Wilson 25.05--Frances "Fannie" Wilso 25.06--Philmore "Phil" Willard Wilson, 25.07--Emily M. "Emma" Wilson 25.08--Mary E. "Mollie" Wilson 25.09--Virginia C. "Gennie" Wilson 25.10--Ella Wilson	2 Nov 1844 1849 1852 May 1855 ca. 1853 18 Apr 1860 1860 1864 1868 1870	11 Apr 1891 after 1880 unk. unk. unk. unk. unk. unk. unk. 1940	Estella Augusta Baxter unk. unk. unk. Joseph Allen Hutton unk. Mr. Landrum M. A. Vandevender Marion Garrett never

Please notice the two items in Chart Two I've highlighted in red.

(1) First is the name of the second-born child of Wash and Haily. Her full name is likely Sarah Elizabeth Jane Wilson, but it could easily have included the name Mary--for example, Sarah Elizabeth Mary Jane Wilson. Women sometimes did have several middle names in those days (compare my gg-grandmother Roe Wilson's full name in Chart One). My point is that this person COULD be your Mary Jane. Yes, it's a stretch, but a possibility that deserves to be researched and either proven true or false.

(2) Another possibility is the five-year gap between the dates of E. B. Wilson III (1844) and E J S Wilson (1849). This gap leaves room for the great likelihood of there being another child (who would be, if he/she existed, the real 2nd-born child). Perhaps this hypothetical child was stillborn or died in infancy and never mentioned in the records--OR...well, you can speculate as well as I can and fill in the blank with anything you like. And yes, either of these could also be a stretch, but nevertheless a possibility that deserves to be researched and also either proven true or false.

I'm emailing you on this and sending a copy to my 5th cousin, Kathy's sister, Neil. Neil and Kathy researched their line together and separately for years. If anyone can disprove (or eliminate reasonable doubt) about these possibilities I'm proposing here, I believe it is she.

Neil, do you have ANYTHING that would disprove either of these proposals?

John