Chesley R. Gwinn
(1): Barbara Ward checked the pedigree file for Levinia Clay and Chesley R. Gwin. Deborah Peterson's source was: Book E page 416 Lauderdale Co., MS (see below).
(2): Rita Litchfield (RLitch616@aol.com) left a post on a Rootsweb board (copied below). Her data is added in this purple color.
(3): Deborah Cheryle Peterson submitted this information on an Individual Record with FamilySearch TM Pedigree Resource File, Disc #3. Her data, where different, is added in this green color. She lists her sources as:• Book E, page 416, Lauderdale Co., MS(4) Alabama Censuses of 1830-1880
• Samuel Clay names his grandchildren who are the children of his daughter, Levinia Clay Gwinn and husband Chesley R. Gwinn, deceased 3 Jan 1848.
• Probate File - Index I:
* Abia Clay appointed guardian to minor heirs of Chesley R. Gwinn
* Stephen W. Clay appointed guardian to Mary Gwinn
* Samuel Clay appointed guardian to minor heirs of Chesley R. Gwinn
(5) BLM.gov's land grant site
(6) Allen, James M., Jr., compiler, of Rocky Mount, NC; Major Henry Filmer of England and Virginia: Some Notes on His Ancestry and a Partial List of Descendants; 27 Nov 2000; Genealogical Research Report GR-112700-1; Microfilmed 2 Nov 2001at Fam. Hist. Lib., Salt Lake City, UT
But we've found many Chesley Gwins (the last name spelled several different ways, of course), and both of us are convinced that they must all be related. Here's the basis of our conviction:
Richard Gwin of Jamestown, VA, married his neighbor Sarah Chesley and began raising a family.
So it made sense to us, when we saw that their grandson, John Gwin (son of Isham Gwin), had named his fourth son Chesley R. Gwin, that the middle initial R. would stand for Richard. Below you'll see that this indeed bore out in at least one of these descendants.
(from James Allen:)
22.00--Levinia Clay, b. unk. date/place (Rita Litchfield says ca. 1799 in GA) (James Allen says), d.o Samuel Clay; d. unk. date/place (Rita Litchfield says bef. 1835 in AL, poss. in Sumter Co.) (James Allen says 1848); bd. unk. date/place; m. unk. date/place (Rita Litchfield says 1819 in St.Clair Co., AL) (James Allen says 16 Apr 1819 in St. Clair Co., AL)to Chesley R. Gwinn (Rita Litchfield agrees) (b. unk. date/place (Rita Litchfield says ca.1780); d. unk. date/place (Rita Litchfield says ca.1835 in Sumter Co., AL); bd. unk. date/place); 6 children (Rita Litchfield says 8 ch., birth order unk.)
[John M. Gwin Note: Litchfield is correct about the birthyear of this Chesley R. Gwin, it would fit perfectly that he could be a son of Richard Gwin and Sarah Chesley who were alleged to have married ca. 1773 in James City, VA. It would also mean, then, that Chesley R. Gwin was a brother to Isham Gwin. It would further mean that Richard and Sarah moved through NC and SC to Georgia (since Levinia is from GA), lending great support to my theory that all these Chesley Gwins are descendants of Richard and Sarah.]
23.01--Chesley R. Gwinn, Jr., (Debbie Peterson agrees) b. unk. date/place; d. unk. date/place; bd. unk. date/place; m. unk. date/place to unk. person (b. unk. date/place; d. unk. date/place; bd. unk. date/place); unk. children
23.02--Haley B. Gwinn (Debbie Peterson agrees), b. unk. date (Debbie Peterson says 1821) (James Allen says b. ca. 1821)/place; d. unk. date/place; bd. unk. date/place; m. unk. date/place to Minerva Pace (b. unk. date/place; d. unk. date/place; bd. unk. date/place); at least one child (Rita Litchfield says: We found sons Haley and Samuel in Lauderdale Co., MS in 1850. Both were married, with children. Haley's family remained in Lauderdale Co., but we haven't found Samuel after 1850. And haven't found any of the other children.)24.00--Chesley R. Gwinn (III?), b. ca. 1848? in unk. place; d. unk. date/place; bd. unk. date/place; m. unk.; [John M. Gwin Note: Is this the same CRG who is the postmaster at New Birmingham, Cherokee Co., TX, from 1899 to 1906? The dates fit...]; at least one child23.03--Samuel C. G. Gwinn (Debbie Peterson agrees), b. unk. date/place (James Allen says b. ca. 1825); d. unk. date/place; bd. unk. date/place; m. unk. date/place (James Allen says m. in Lauderdale Co., MS) to unk. person(Debbie Peterson says to Mary, nee unk.) (b. unk. date/place; d. unk. date/place; bd. unk. date/place); unk. children (Rita Litchfield says: We found sons Haley and Samuel in Lauderdale Co., MS in 1850. Both were married, with children. Haley's family remained in Lauderdale Co., but we haven't found Samuel after 1850. And haven't found any of the other children.)25.00--Annie Gwinn, b.; m. W. E. Massey ( );
Obituary of Mrs. Annie Guinn Massey, Garland County, AR
Submitted by: Barbara Jane Stainback <email@example.com>
Date: 18 Jan 2003
Copyright. All rights reserved.
MRS. W. E. MASSEY, PIONEER RESORT CLUB WOMAN, DIES
Past UDC President had been ill for several weeks(Picture on Page 6)
Mrs. Annie Guinn Massey, 76, one of the best-known club women in Arkansas, died unexpectedly yesterday afternoon at her home, 738 Quapaw Ave.
Mrs. Massey had been ill for the past several weeks, but had returned home 10 days ago from St. Joseph's Infirmary where she spent more than a week. At the time she was fatally stricken yesterday she was sitting in bed talking with members of her family.
Mrs. Massey, born here in 187, (My notes: "part of date missing") the daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Chesley Richard Guinn, among the early white settlers in Hot Springs, was a past president general of the United Daughters of the Confederacy and had served as state and local president of the UDC. At the time of her death she was serving as historian for the Hot Springs chapter and was planning the annual UDC essay contest among high school pupils.
Mrs. Massey was instrumental in the organization of the Annie Guinn Massey chapter, Children of the Confederacy, which was named in her honor.
She had also served as local and state president of the Daughters of the American Revolution and was a former president of the Arkansas Pioneers Association. She was also a member and past president of the Fortnightly study club of Hot Springs.
At the time of her death she was serving the DAR chapter here as chairman of the national historical magazine and as national defense chairman. On the state board of that organization she held the position of genealogist.
Mrs. Massey was a lifelong member of First Baptist Church where she was deacon emeritus. She worshipped with the congregation of (continued on page 6)I couldn't find it. But got lots of clippings to go through). bjs
This is from a Hot Springs newspaper, Hot Springs, Arkansas--it had no date. The woman who owned these died in 2002. Hope it will help someone._._--Deborah Cheryle Peterson, private
23.04--Elizabeth Gwinn, b. unk. date (Debbie Peterson says 1827)/place; d. unk. date/place; bd. unk. date/place; m. unk. date/place to unk. person (b. unk. date/place; d. unk. date/place; bd. unk. date/place); unk. children
23.05--William Wiley Clay Gwinn, b. unk. date (Debbie Peterson says 1830) /place; d. unk. date/place; bd. unk. date/place; m. unk. date/place to unk. person(b. unk. date/place; d. unk. date/place; bd. unk. date/place); unk. children
23.06--Mary Fanny Gwinn, b. unk. date (Debbie Peterson says 1833) /place; d. unk. date/place; bd. unk. date/place; m. unk. date/place to unk. person(b. unk. date/place; d. unk. date/place; bd. unk. date/place); unk. children [John M. Gwin Note: In trying to combine the data from the two sources (i.e., Peterson, who listed 6 children, and Litchfield, who listed 8), I arbitrarily decided that since they agreed on all but one, that Mary and Fanny must be the same person--i.e., Mary Frances (a common combination).]
Hi John,7 Feb 2004
A few weeks ago I ordered films from the Leonardo Andrea collection. He was a noted research genealogist (mainly in the southern states; he lived in Columbia, SC (1940-50-60's) when he was doing most of his research). His collection is filmed and I had ordered four films: Wilson/Willson, Wilson, my Brown's and my Lester's. Well, there's a lot of information on the Wilson surname in South Carolina from colonial times. He has all the Wilson (of SC) will abstracts and there are plenty! I tried reading them all but had to give up til we get back from Tucson. Way too many to read and try to find a son named Nathaniel and Ezekiel. I ordered the fiche that had the index on it but it hadn't come in yet. Maybe by the end of the week; will check that for first names.
Checked the pedigree file for Levinia
and Chesley R. Gwin. Deborah Peterson's source was: Book
416 Lauderdale Co., MS.
Samuel Clay names his grandchildren who are the children of his daughter, Levinia Clay Gwinn and husband Chesley R. Gwinn, deceased Jan. 3, 1848. I assume the year 1848 was when Samuel died.
Probate File - Index 1
Abie Clay appt. guardian to minor heirs of Chesley R. Gwinn; Stephen W. Clay appt. guardian of Mary Gwinn
Samuel Clay appt. guardian of minor heirs of Chesley R. Gwinn. Their six children were Chesley R., Haley B., Samuel, Elizabeth, William Wiley and Mary. The line that Deborah carries down is from Haley (male) who married Minerva Pace (hence the connection to the Pace Family Tree by Albert Pace.)
I'm going to get ahold of the submmitter Deborah
Peterson of Mabank , Tx. Maybe she will have photo copies
mentioned documents without having to order the film (if it
be our Chesley). I still haven't figured out how I'm going to
but one step at a time. Maybe Deborah will have some idea when
died or where.
I contacted Gordon Gray via email several days about his submission to Ancestry.com about Chesley and Levinia Clay but no reply yet.
Another person submitted material to GenCircles (Walter H. Vandevender) firstname.lastname@example.org (found on gendex). He follows this same Haley Gwinn. His sources aren't listed.,Will send an email this afternoon.
Checked the pedigree resource file for Isham Gwin and Mary Canterberry. No further information than what was listed on the FamilySearch webpage. This submitter was a Daniel Rose.
John, check the Genforum webpage and look under Canterberry/Canterbury and see your remarks (#190 and another one in the 190's) This is why I don't think this is our guy. One reason being, you found the land grant information that shows maybe Isham Gwinn witnessing a land grant in 1839. He would still be in Sevier county and not in Indiana as thought.
That's all to report. I can't believe no one has tried to research the Gwins with all the material you have put out there on the internet or any descendants that check your webpage. It is so fascinating to get a new line and run with it! Right up my alley!
Have a nice weekend. Lovely here!
Catch you later,
Could Isham Gwin and Mary Canterbury have had another child named "Chesley"? (Chesley for his father and the "R" from Richard Gwin, his grandfather.) There is a Chesley R. Guinn/Gwinn floating around the internet; born 1798 possibly TN; married to a Levinia Clay(b. ca 1800 GA) in St. Clair Co., AL, on 16 April 1819.
Well, here's where it becomes a possibility. Levinia Clay's parents were Samuel Clay and Tabiath ?. Levinia's brother Stephen W. Clay married his wife Nancy Jones 12 Nov. 1828 Perry County (adjacent to Dallas Co.). So they were at least in the same area at the same time. The person (Rita Litchfield) who placed this query stated:
"Chesley R. b about 1780, possibly TN; died about 1835 in Sumter Co., Al. Wife Levinia died before that (1835). Their children were orphans and were farmed out to family members, and some of the children moved to Mississippi".So I went checking in the Sumter records and indeed found her brother Stephen W. Clay there.
I found a Chesley R. Gwinn in the 1830 census in Perry County, Al; age bracket 40-50 (the right age to be this Chesley and the right age to be a son of Isham). Chesley had one son under 5 and two sons between 5-10. No daughters. Female was also between 40-50. (Levinia still alive in 1830.)
Could not find a Chesley R. Gwinn/Guinn in the 1840 census. (query said he died about 1835). None in the 1850 except John's son Chesley. We have no way of knowing if John Gwin knew he had a brother Chesley. Maybe Chesley left TN as John did, and John thought he had died and thus no mention of him. I don't know how I'm going to follow up on this; or if it's worth checking into.
Gordon Gray, a submitter of Chesley and Levinia, gave his sources as Come Walk With Me - An Autobiography and History by Glenn Gordy (pg 189), Thadis Grafton's GraftonTree and Albert Pace's The Pace Family Tree. I found the "Come Walk With Me" on the internet but could not find a page 189 for the source of marriage information, etc., on Levinia and Chesley. I emailed Thadis and the person who placed the query (Rita Litchfield) but no reply as yet and their emails haven't come back so that's promising. Did not contact Gordon as yet.
What do you think? Is it a wild goose chase? I don't mind a
as you know. Just don't know if it's worth the time. It sounded
to me about midnight last night when I was on line but after I've
on it, I'm having second thoughts. Need some input, please.
Catch you later.
I decided to include your e.mail as an introduction to this page. I have been using it as a catch-all for several other Chesley Gwins (other, that is, than the Chesley R. Gwin who is the son of John Gwin and Jane Walker and grandson of Isham Gwin, ____ Cleveland [John M. Gwin Note: The Cleveland of this unk. first name is all but certain now to be Mary Canterbury.], Tom Walker, Sr., and Elizabeth Magill).
My input is this: I am excited to have someone else interested in following up on this Chesley Gwin mystery! Sounds to me like you may be onto something, and I definitely think it's worth pursuing.
Grandpa Isham and Grandma Cleveland Gwin clearly--MUST've--had
I believe that Richard and Sarah Chesley Gwin
had others, also. And I speculate that Richard and Sarah are
link between all the Chesley Gwins.
[John M. Gwin Note:
The Cleveland of this unk. first
all but certain now to be Mary
POSTMASTERS & POST OFFICES OF CHEROKEE COUNTY, TEXAS, 1847 - 1930
According to this page, among the many cities, towns, and rural post offices in Cherokee County, Texas, from 1847 to 1930, that a post office named New Birmingham, TX, had a postmaster named Chesley R. Gwin who was the last of seven postmasters there (from 4 Dec 1899 to 31 Jan 1906--some 74 months):
...NEW BIRMINGHAM (Cherokee Co., TX)
Neill, John F., 14 Jan 1889
Baker, Willard W., 23 Jan 1890
Boyd, Lillian D., 3 May 1892
Hahl, Louisa J., 28 Sep 1892
Neill, John F., 21 Jun 1893
Whitehurst, Martin T., 3 Nov 1897
Gwin, Chesley R., 4 Dec 1899
Discontinued 31 Jan 1906; mail to Rusk...
From the Rootsweb page of Rita Litchfield's post: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/ALABAMA/1998-07/0901335909
Subject: Chesley R. GUINN and Levinia CLAY, in Alabama
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:05:09 EDT
Trying to find any info about CHESLEY R. GUINN, b. ca.1780; d. ca.1835 in Sumter Co., AL (the last name is spelled many different ways, but mostly Guinn, Gwinn, or Gwyn). Chesley married LEVINIA CLAY, 1819 in St. Clair Co., AL. Levinia was b. ca.1799 in GA; d. before 1835 in AL, possibly in Sumter Co.
This is our brick wall: Their orphaned children were parceled out to various families. Some of the children moved to MS. Names of minor children mentioned in Chesley's estate:1) Petry(?);These may not be in birth order - no birthdates or ages were given in the record.
2) Haley B.;
3) Samuel C. G.;
7) William W.;
8) Chesley, Jr.
We found sons Haley and Samuel in Lauderdale Co., MS in 1850. Both were married, with children. Haley's family remained in Lauderdale Co., but we haven't found Samuel after 1850. And haven't found any of the other children.
We would appreciate any info about Chesley's parents and any info about the children of Chesley and Levinia. Thank you.
Rita Litchfield internet address: RLitch616@aol.com
ASSUMING THAT JOHN AND CHESLEY OF GEN. 3 BELOW ARE BROTHERS, THE
SHOULD BE CORRECT; HOWEVER, CHESLEY (m. LEVINIA) COULD BE A SON OF
BROTHER, IN WHICH CASE THE RELATIONSHIPS SHOWN BELOW WILL BE
m. Sarah Chesley
CONNECTION to ISHAM,
BELOW, FAIRLY SECURE
BELOW, MORE AND MORE
CONNECTION to RICHARD,
ABOVE, FAIRLY SECURE
(go to his page)
m. Mary Canterbury
CONNECTION TO CHESLEY, BELOW,
BY A GROWING MOUNTAIN OF EVIDENCE
John Gwin, b. Nov 1792 in Sevier Co., TN (then
7 Mar 1877 at Wilsonville, Shelby Co., AL;
CONNECTION TO ISHAM, ABOVE,
SPECULATED AT BEST,
AND MOST LIKELY INCORRECT
BASED ON THIS CHESLEY R. GWINN'S DOB
Chesley R. Gwinn, b.
in Sumter Co., AL; m.
1819 in St. Clair
AL to Levinia Clay (b. ca.1799 in GA, d/o Samuel
1835 in AL, possibly in Sumter Co)
Chesley R. Gwin (go to
his page) b. ca. 1828; m1. 20
Mar 1850 to Mary
"Fannie" E. Bell (b. ca.1830)
b. 23 Feb 1828; d. 24 Feb 1905 in Garland Co., AR; m. Eliza "Liza" Jane Rash (b. unk.; d. 10 Jan 1906);
Chesley James Gwin, b. ca. 1866 in AL; m. in no. CA. ca. 1902 to Elizabeth "Bessie" Flynn Boyd (b. ca. 1863 in Ireland). Prior to that (per the 1900 census) Bessie Boyd and her two sons lived in Sonora Tnshp, Tuolumne Co., CA.
The 1910 census shows Chesley J., Bessie. and Robert (my grandfather) living in Contra Costa Co., in Bay Point. Anna Todd
Chesley R. Gwin
Chesley R. Gwin
||CONNECTION UNKNOWN||Chesley S. Gwyn,
in IL (age 70 in the 1930 Census for Adams Co., [Precinct
n. of Denver] CO); single; father b. TN; mother b. ME.
From: "Barbara L.Ward" <email@example.com>
Date: Thu Feb 26, 2004 01:55:23 AM US/Mountain
To: "John Gwin" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Chesley R. Guinn's vitals
Just received an email from Garland Co., Arkansas volunteer with some info on Chesley Richard Guinn, s/o of Chesley R. Guinn and Levenia Clay.
SOURCE: Children of the Confederacy.
The volunteer goes on to say "To get to Annie Guinn Massey papers, we will have to check our Registrar Papers."
Chessley (sic) Richard Guinn was born 23 Feb. 1828 and died 24 Feb. 1905 Hot Springs (Garland Co.) and wife Eliza Jane Rash died 10 Jan 1906 but I cannot find either one in the 1900 census for Garland Co., Arkansas. I lose him after the 1880 census. He's in Hot Springs (age 50) with wife Eliza. I had guessed his birth year to be 1830; I was close!
From: "Barbara L.Ward" <email@example.com>
Date: Fri Feb 27, 2004 12:32:31 PM US/Mountain
To: "John Gwin" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: LDS film numbers
The film numbers are as follows:
Book 2 1,012,793
Book 3 1,012,794
Book 4 1,012,795
Book 23 1,012,814
We've been trying to find out more about Chesley S. Gwyn for our next book on Colorado history and are hoping you might be able to help us. He appears in the 1930 Federal Census for Colorado (Adams County, Precinct 10, Lower Platt), north of Denver. He is 70 years old [therefore est. b. 1860], single, and reports that he was born in Illinois, his father born in Tennesee, and his mother born in Maine.
Do you have any information on him? Thanks for any help you can give us.
Rawlene LeBaron Rawlene@aol.com
PS: To share information that I have on the Gwinn family:
Richard Gwynn (alternate spellings include Gwinn, Gwin, Gwyne, and Guinn) was an outspoken Indian trader, who immigrated to Baltimore County about 1665. It is thought that he was born about 1646 and immigrated from Wales. The surname of his wife, Hannah, has not been verified.¯
Baltimore County was settled after the more fertile croplands of the Eastern shore of Maryland. By 1666, about the time Richard Gwynn settled there, the population of Baltimore County had reached only about 720. As the population grew, settlements reached up the valleys, and in 1669 Richard Guinn established a trading post along Gwynn's Falls (today, Gwynn's Falls is in Baltimore, although not in a good area) adjacent to the Seneca Indian trail.
Seneca Trail was named for the Seneca Indians who journeyed south in June along this trail to their hunting grounds in Anne Arundel and Howard Counties and, using the same trail, returned in September. The trail followed the Susquehanna River, down to the bay to Seneca Creek near the Gunpowder River. It crossed Harford and Baltimore Counties, until it split at Gwynn's Falls.
By 1672, Lord Baltimore granted Richard Guinn a 200-acre parcel of land as a reward for his efforts in helping the colony grow (Zucker, pages 72-96).
Master Percy, an early explorer of the region, described Seneca Trail about 1640 (reprinted in Zucker, 1995, pages 72-96) as:
. . . a pathway like an Irish pace, having beside it for miles
suckle, the ground all flowing over with fair flowers of sundry
and kinds, as though it had been a garden in old England.
It was probably in an Indian trading post along the Seneca Trail that Richard Gwynn and his wife Hannah lived and raised their children. They had at least three children: Thomas, Elinor (who married Peter Bond Jr. -- his father had immigrated from England about 1660), and a second daughter whose given name is not known. They may have had a second son who died as a young adult.
In 1692, Richard Gwynn served as constable of the south side of Patapsco Hundred, placing his death in mid-1692 because his will was probated later that year.
His will, dated 19 September 1692 and 1 November 1692, and probated in Baltimore Co., is on file at the land office in Annapolis (book 6, page 48). Key provisions of his will were:
· To his son Thomas, under the age of 21, he
60 acres of his Brandan parcel;
· To his daughter (________) Lockett, the wife of John Lockett, he bequeathed the remaining part of the Brandan parcel;
· To his daughter Elinor, the wife of Peter Bond Jr., he bequeathed the 300-acre Newtown parcel, which he and Edward Halton had surveyed in 1672.
· He also named his wife Hannah, his daughter-in-law Ann Cornwell [possibly a step daughter, but more likely the remarried widow of a deceased son], and his son-in-law John Lockett.
His estate was inventoried by Richard Roben and William Haskens and valued at 66 pounds, 18 shillings, in addition to debts due him valued at 4,800 pounds in tobacco.
(See also some of the Maryland research published by Robert
Correspondence w/ Barb of 10 Mar 2004--data not yet added to above outline
We must have much the same research on the Perkins family. ...
Now, for the Guinn line.
Charles Guinn, b ca 1750-1760, place unkn., died in Sumter Co., AL between 1835-1840. His wife's name has never been discovered. Charles Guinn was in Surry Co., NC in 1784-1787. By 1790 he had moved to Burke Co. By ca. 1800 Charles Guinn was in Madison Co., AL or Mississippi Territory as it was known then. In 1816 he was still in Madison Co., AL, but by 1819 Charles moved to Blount Co., AL, and his son Henry ( from whom I am descended) received a land grant along with Charles. From Blount Co. they went to Tuscaloosa Co., AL, Sumter Co., where Charles died. Henry had married Mary AnnFitzgerald in Madison Co., AL, and he and Mary moved toWashington Co., AL, which became Choctaw Co. in 1845. Henry Guinn descendants still live in Choctaw.
Also in the 1790 census was Champion Guinn. Always
and Charles were brothers but can't prove it.
I found a Chesley R. Guinn in Sumter Co., there is a sizable probate on him, names his children and wife. Some of the family were in Lauderdale, MS. Couldn't find a connection to Charles. Asa Guinn in the Tuscaloosa also was of no connection to Charles. Asa had a part Cherokee wife, Mary Gourd, dau. of Joseph Gourd, either a full or part Indian.
Isham Guinn is very familiar, I think he was connected in some way with Champion Guinn who also went to Tennessee. Give me some time to go thru some files and get back to you. Isham is not in my book. I corresponded quite a bit with Champion Guinn descendants, and they mentioned Isham.
Talk with you later,
This is the first of two from Marilee.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: Chesley R. Guinn
Chesley R. Guinn died by 21 Apr 1835 in Sumter Co., AL. Probate indicates his children were:
Father of wife, not named: Samuel Clay. He moved from Sumter Co., AL, by 22 July 1844 and was later found in Lauderdale Co., MS.
All children were minors in June 1836. The minors in Mar 1848 were Fanny, Mary, and William Wiley. Lavinia married James Green. Don't know the date.
As for Isham Guinn: All I have are notes sent me by another researcher. Some quotes from the notes:
From the internet:
1. Charles T. Guinn m. Nancy Davis, b. Franklin Co., TN
2. Charles Tillis Guinn and Jesse Pierce Guinn, sons of William Guinn b. VA, came to TN 1807. William's father ISHAM GUINN to TN 1807 and was a delegate to the Tennessee Baptist Convention in Jonesboro, TN.
Has info Champion Guinn has son Isham. Went
have an Isham Guinn m. Mary Canterberry or Canterbury, Montgomery
VA in 1788."
All this info was sent to me from a researcher in Houston, TX. Would you like to contact her? Last I heard she had no email but has always been really great to exchange with snail mail. I hope this is a current address:
Julia BlakeShe didn't have email as of 1998 so snail mail will be best. I don't have her phone number either. Tell her "Hi" for me; she is a dear lady.
4023 Curly Oaks
Houston, TX 77053
This person was checking DAR records for Anne Guinn Masssey, d/o of Chesley R. Guinn and Eliza Rash. I can't really tell if they found anything or not. Waiting to hear more.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmie Jones" <email@example.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 9:10 AM
Subject: Massey family
I have the sheet on#1 Rose Mary Massey born 16 Jan 1948, daughter ofThis is all I have of Children of the Confederate. To get Annie Guinn Massey papers, we will have to check our Registrar papers.
#2 Guinn Reese Massey Jr. born 12 Feb 1920 Hot Spgs, AR; married 27 April 1944 in Little Rock, AR, to Mary Frances Hart born 15 Aug 1920, Arkadelphia, AR.
#3 Guinn Reese Massey, Sr. born 17 Dec 1894 Hot Spgs, AR; married Mary Anderson Massey 15 Sept 1915 Arkadelphia, AR
#4 William Edwin Massey born 24 Aug 1870 Union, SC married Annie Guinn Massey 10 Nov 1893 Hot Springs, AR
#5 Chessley Richard Guinn born 23 Feb 1828 died 24 Feb 1905 Hot Spgs, AR; married 8 Dec1855 Elizabeth Jane Rash born 10 May 1833 Hernands, MS, died 10 Jan 1906 Hot Spgs, AR; married in Monticello, AR
C.R. Guinn appears in the 1880 Census of Garland Co., AR
of Hot Springs. He is listed as D-153
Guinn, C.R., white, male, 50 yrs old, head of household, married, farmer, born in AL, father born in NC and mother born in GA.
Eliza, white, female, 45 yrs old, wife, married, born TN, no mention of where her father and mother were born.
There are also two children:
Henry Guinn, white-male-son 19yrs old, andChesley Richard Guinn, Feb. 23, 1828, died Feb. 24, 1905 -- Eliza Jane Guinn May 10, 1833, died Jan.10,1906. Son Henry & wife are also buried here: Henry C. Guinn born July 24, 1860 died March 27, 1914. His wife, Nettie McDonald Guinn born Sept 15, 1874 died May 31, 1966. It looks like their three children are also buried here:
Anna Guinn, white-female-dau., 8yrs old. Both children were born in Arkansas. The Garland Co. Tombstone Inscriptions Book shows them to be buried in the Greenwood Cem. (City of Hot Springs). They are in the old Circle Block of the cemetery. Greenwood Cem. is located on Greenwood Ave. covering 4 blocks from 3d street to 7th street with St. Louis Ave on its south side.
Paul Hatton Nov 4, 1899 - Dec.16, 1938,Henry's sister Annie (Anna) who appears with him in the 1880 Census is also buried here with her husband. Annie Guinn Massey wife of William Edwin Massey born Feb. 25, 1872 - died Dec. 20, 1948. He was son of Henry Reese Massey and Harriet Ann Massey was born Aug. 24, 1870 Union Co. N.C. and died July 31, 1934. Here is what the City of Hot Springs Death Records for 1896-1917 said about C.R. Guinn and his wife:
William McDonald Sept. 14, 1906 - May 18, 1931 and
Gill Lee June 1, 1909 - Oct.1, 1927.
C.R.Guinn age 77 born U.S died 2-24-05, cause-nervous exhustion, male -white-married-resident, occupation-Merchant, attending physician, J.B. Payne, cemetery-Greenwood, undertaker-B & B.This is about all the information I could obtain from the library. You need to come to Hot Springs sometime and see their graves. It is not often that everyone is buried together and can be found. You are lucky.
E.J. Guinn, Mrs., age 73 born ?, died 1-10-06, cause-pneumonia, female-white-married-resident, occupation-housewife, attending physician, M.G. Thompson, cemetery-Greenwood, undertaker-McCafferty.
My films came in this am so I had to go down and see if I could
a clearer copy of Isham's land grant. Somewhat better;
But I did look at the other ones that you were interested in.
Book #2 Made a very good copy of #988 Richard Shields land grant but it's not on page 114 as stated. It is on page #112 when you start looking for it. Grant dated at the bottom: May 9th 1810 with mention of Isham Guin. From this information Isham Guin was at least in the area as early as 1810 for Richard Shields land to be connected to Isham's land.
Charles Benefield #1645 is also a good copy but not on the right page either. Look for it on page 769; not 693. Grant dated June 20, 1810 with mention of "Guin's line" and "Veache's line"
MADE COPIES FOR YOU OF EACH AND THEY'LL BE IN THE MAIL TOMORROW AM!! I know you ordered the film but they're not here yet and you might like to have copies right now. The machine at the History Center made excellent copies, so I made one for each of us.
Book #4 Copy of Isham's land grant is on page 31 and made a fairly good copy. Hoped it would have come out better for my Lester book but don't believe so.
Book #3 Didn't have time to check that one out. It was closing and I had to leave. That one was just a William Gwin witnessing a land grant of a Susanna Richardson
Book #23 Did not come in yet. Was looking forward to seeing
Givins looked like Guinn on Johnson Adams' land grant.
Okay. That takes care of the Guins.
I have had a few emails that are somewhat confusing. Had a reply back from Marilee (firstname.lastname@example.org ). She wrote that Chesley R. Guinn died 21 April 1835 probably Sumter Co, Al. If that Chesley (who we think was the husband of Levenia Clay) died in 1835, who is the Chesley R. Guinn in the 1840 census in Perry County, Al?
I am forwarding her email on to you. I asked if she had the actual probate forms for Chesley R. Guinn, but she only had notes.
Also had an email from a Frankie ( a volunteer from Garland Co.,
who sent me information on Chesley's cemetery records. This
is suppose to be the son of Chesley R. and Levenia Clay.
I had not heard back from Virginia Eash about a photo of Chesley R. Guinn, so I emailed her. She asked if I had a fax, and I said no but would still love to have a copy if she could send it snail mail. Still waiting.
Been working every waking moment on the Lester book. Almost done; hope to have it down to Kinkos by the weekend for binding. That's why I haven't been online much. I haven't even had time to check out the pages you emailed me about several days ago. Been so busy.
I still haven't heard from Linda Derry. I am having mixed thoughts about sending her the book. Maybe she would just like pictures of the Wilsons and Gwins and not all the others. I could still donate it to the Dallas Co. Gen. or Historical Society and it would be in the same area.
I did receive a packet of pictures from Leona Curtis yesterday. Of the Lester photos she sent, nothing new that I didn't already have. She sent quite a few unidentified pictures with "no name" written on the back. One might be one of the guys in album but hard to tell. There is a photo of Carlos Holley as a young boy about 10, but we have no photos as an adult. So I am back to square one on that lead. She didn't have anything new. But it was worth a shot. She asked her mother about all the un-identified ones and she wrote on the back that her mother didn't know who they were either.
That's about all for now. Will put the copies in the mail
Will try to attach the above mentioned emails. If I fail, I'll
Have a good week,
From: "Jawee" <email@example.com>
Date: Fri Jun 16, 2006 06:49:34 PM US/Mountain
To: "John Gwin" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Re: Another Gwin/Chesley Connection
Reply-To: "Jawee" <email@example.com>
Nancie is my cousin. We have been tracking this family forever.
When I was 9 years old my Daddy became pastor of a church in the upper part of the state in SC. One day as I was exploring through the woods I ran across a grave that had my mother's last name on it. Now I know it belonged to Baysden Gwin's wife Sarah Maddox. From that day, I am now in my dont tell middle age, we have been looking for the history of our family.
Nancy and I have found that Baysden's father's name was John Gwin who married Elizabeth Baisden in Southhampton, Va.
Someone told me that they had two sons named John (Baisden?) and William. Could this John Gwin (Chesley's parents) remarried at some point?
Nannie's email is firstname.lastname@example.org. Let's keep in touch. Also in Christ, Joye McElrath Hanna
----- Original Message -----
From: John Gwin
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: Another Gwin/Chesley Connection
On Friday, June 16, 2006, at 09:48 AM, Jawee wrote:
Hi, My name is Joye McElrath Hanna from South Carolina. I was looking at your web site because I am doing a family tree from John Gwin/Elizabeth Baisden line from the 1700's in Southhampton, Va, to my mother who is a Gwin. It is interesting that several ancestors as well as my uncle have Chesley in their name. I have tried to find a reason but have not been sucessful. Do you have any info on the Gwin's in SC that may help. Thanks, JoyeJoye,
I'm delighted to hear from you--thanks for writing!
I'm excited about the possiblities here, and I hardly know where to begin. Let's just jump right in:
First of all, I don't know what parts of the site you have had time to visit yet, so if you've already seen this, just skip it. If not, this might be very important for you. Several years ago a researcher named Nancie O'Sullavin wrote to me about her Baysden Gwin in SC. Nothing rang any bells, so I built a page for her line for her and posted the page on my site under "Unrelated (As-of-yet) Gwins". I've tried to make contact with her since, but she changed e.mail addresses and didn't tell me her new one. Anyway, here's the link to my page for her--see what you think:
Secondly, I have a theory about Chesley. By now you probably know where my own Chesleys names come from: my ggggg-grandpa, Richard Gwin, married Sarah Chesley near Jamestown sometime around 1760-1770 or so. (We believe that one of the Chesley Gwins who appear in Alabama is their son and my gggg-granduncle.)
Meanwhile, Richard's and Sarah's son Isham Gwin married Mary Canterbury in Montgomery Co., VA, and eventually became my gggg-grandparents. Their son John Gwin married Jane Walker and became my ggg-grandparents, and it was one of THEIR kids, Chesley R. Gwin (we're pretty sure the R is for Richard), who is the Chesley Gwin about whom we know the most. Here's our page for him:
Isham and Mary had one child who MAY have been named Chesley, but we're least clear about this one. FOR SURE two of Isham's and Mary's sons--William and John--moved to Alabama. IF this third child was a son, and IF he was named Chesley, and IF he moved with William and Ggg-grandpa John, then he is one of the Chesley's in AL.
Now back to my theory: Richard and Sarah must have had other children, and one of them was probably a son named Chesley who moved south into SC. Here's one more webpage to investigate--see what you think:
I have to go now--have fun looking--let me hear from you when you've had a chance to digest some of it.