Isom Gwin II
and
Mary Likens
and
Elizabeth "Betsy" Snowden

Page started 23 Nov 2011
Updated 26 Nov 2011
As you will see, we don't have much on this family yet.
At this point, however, knowing spouses' names and marriage dates--and possible locations--we want to start this page.
There has been a lot of confusion  due not only to the fact that  both father and son had the same given name,
but also to the fact that  the wives of both had the same given name.    As a result, many people have thought
that Isham, the father, married Mary Likens, which, of course, is not true; it was Isham/Isom, the son, instead.

21.00--Richard Gwin, m. Sarah Chesley;

22.00--Isham/Isom Gwin, b. ca. 1770 in VA; d. Dec 1830 in Orange Co., IN; bd. unk. site in Orange Co., IN; m. near Blacksburg, VA, to Mary Canterbury (b. ca. 1770 (age 80 in 1850 census) in VA; d. after 1850 in Orange Co., IN; bd. in Orange Co.); at least 11 children:
From: JAMESTWALL@aol.com
Date: Sun Dec 11, 2005  01:18:36 PM US/Mountain
To: jmcdgwin@zianet.com
Cc: JAMESTWALL@aol.com, kgwin@indy.net, Dogyar3@aol.com, oldfolks2@epowerc.net
Subject: ISAM GWINN & OTHERS, HARRISON CO., INDIANA, 1820 FEDERAL CENSUS

ISAM GWINN: MALES 1 16 TO 18; 1 16 TO 26; AND 1 45 & UPWARDS; FEMALES: 1 UNDER 10; 3 10 & UNDER 16; AND 1 26 TO 45.  2 ENGAGED IN AGRICULTURE.  THERE IS A TOTAL AT THE END OF THE LINE WHICH IS NOT LEGIBLE.
 
FOUR LINES BELOW IS JOSEPH TIPTON, WHO IS, I BELIEVE, THE HUSBAND OF JANE GWIN.
JOSEPH TIPTON:  MALES 1 UNDER 10 YEARS; 1 26 TO 45; FEMALES 3 UNDER 10 YEARS; & 1 26-45 YEARS.  1 ENGAGED IN AGRICULTURE.
 
THREE LINES BELOW IS THOMAS WALKER??
THOMAS WALKER: MALES 2 UNDER 10 YEARS; 1 26-45; FEMALES 1 UNDER 10 YEARS; AND 1 16-26.  I PERSON ENGAGED IN AGRICULTURE.
 
TWO LINES BELOW IS JOSHUA LINKHORN/JOSIAH LINCOLN, WHOSE DAUGHTER ELIZABETH ISOM DENTON MARRIED ON 17 JULY 1826.  JOSIAH WAS THE UNCLE OF PRESIDENT ABRAHAM LINCOLN.
 
JIM WALL

23.01--(Mary?) "Polly" Gwin, m. Thomas Walker, Jr.
23.02--Elizabeth Gwin, m. David Denton
23.03--William Gwin, m. Susanah Beard
23.04--John Gwin, m. Jane Walker
23.05--Virginia Jane Gwin, m1. Joseph Tipton, m2. Benjamin Weathers
23.06--Isham/Isom Gwin II, m1. Mary Likens, m2. Betsy Snowden
23.07--unk. Gwin, m. unk.
23.08--Richard W. Gwin, m. Nancy Watkins
23.09--Nancy Gwin, m. Squire Houston
23.10--Sarah Gwin, m. William M. Houston
23.11--Minerva Gwin, m. Elijah Wright
23.12--Mahala Gwin, m. John B. Houston



23.06--Isham Gwin II, b. 1797; d. unk.; bd. unk.; m1. 20 Oct 1819 in Crawford Co., IN, to Mary Likens (b. est. 1800; d. unk.; bd. unk.); unk. ch.; m2. 1 Mar 1824--likely in Orange Co., IN--to Betsy Snowden (b. unk.; d. unk.; bd. unk.); unk. ch.  

[JMG Note: Jim Wall's term for this child of Isham and Mary Canterbury Gwin is "shadowy".  I like that.  We just don't know much about him yet. He are now convinced, however, that he is the same Isham Gwin who m. 1 Mar 1824 in Orange Co. to Betsy Snowden, having found their marriage license, and since the 7 Aug 1819 Minutes of the Providence Church of Greenfield Township, Orange Co., IN, where Isham I was called to preach, state that a Snowden family were part of that congregation. Cousin Jim Wall found his first marriage: "I must note that there is a marriage between Isom Gwin and Mary Likens recorded 20 Oct 1819 in Crawford County, Indiana-- is this Isom Gwin, Senior or Junior?" We now believe that this is indeed the same Isom in each case, first the husband and widower of Mary Likens, then the husband of Betsy Snowden.]


GROOM'S NAME--------------------------------------------BRIDE'S NAME------------------------------------------------DATE OF MARRIAGE

Isom Gwin---------------------------------Mary Likens-----------------------------------20 Oct 1819
Gwin Nancy-------------------------------Squire Huston---------------------------------27 Oct 1822
Gwin Isom---------------------------------Snowden Betsy-------------------------------1 Mar 1824
Grew ?, Minira-(Gwin, Minerva)-------Wright Elijah----------------------------------31 Jul 1827
Gregory Milton----------------------------Snowden Nancy------------------------------7 Aug 1836






From the good message board posting at:
http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.snowden/366.2/mb.ashx

GENERATION THREE

Kentucky and Ohio Branches

7 REVEREND CHARLES SNOWDEN [David 2, Joseph 1]
b. 28 Dec. 1783, Wash. Co., Pa.; d. 1866 (age 83), Clinton or Tipton Co., Ind.; s/o David and Nancy (Hazelrigg) Snowden; 1/m. c 1801/3 Hester Graham; d. 1840, Hardensburg, Jennings Co., Ind.; 2/m. 9 Nov. 1842 Judah (Judia) Ann Jividen (Gividen) (M. Bk. 3,p. 234, Jenns. Co.), widow of Joseph Gividen,l b. c 1790, Va.; d. 1859/60 (Mortality Schedules for 1860, Ind.) Bur. unknown.

Charles was in his parents' household in the 1800 U.S.C. of Clark Co., Ky. He headed his own household in 1810 and 20 in Estill Co., Ky. When he migrated to Ind. is not certain. While an extant eulogy of his son, Joshua William,2 states that Joshua was born in Ind. 20 Apr. 1820, the family is not numerated there that early. The earliest Indiana records for Rev. Charles which I have found are on 11 Apr. 1822, when he offic. at an Orange Co. marriage, and in Jul. at the marriage of Margaret Newkirk to James McDonald.3   On 5 Aug. 1824 he offic. at the marriage of his daughter, Betsy Snowden, to Ison Gwinn. He signed their certificate as Minister of the Gospel.

The family was in Decatur Co. in 1830, and by 1834 he was preaching in Jenns. Co. He was ordained in the Coffee Creek Baptist Church Jan. 1838, where "He preached regularly at school houses and private dwellings for some years." (Recds Coffee Creek Baptist Assn.) From 1845 to 1850 he served as a church messenger, an alternate preacher and as ordained minister in Geneva Twp., Jenns. Co., becoming by 1852 the regular minister of the Queensville Baptist Church of that county.

While public records list him as a Baptist elder and preacher, he considered himself a farmer, as noted on census recds. This may be accounted for by the statement in William T. Scott's Indiana Baptist History 1798-1908, p. 151: "There was a strong prejudice against salaries to ministers and (they) . . . had to labor with their hands to support their families."

In 1860 U.S.C. for Tipton Co. Charles is enumerated in the household of his son James and wife Mary Ann (Hopkins) Snowden. Since son James' property straddled the two counties of Clinton and Tipton, Charles may have died in either.

Recds. of Joshua William Snowden indicate that his father and mother had 11 children, nine of whom have been identified, the birth order being uncertain.

Issue:
23.01--David H(azelrigg) Snowden, b. ca. 1804/5, Ky.; m1. 27 Nov. 1823 Polly Vannest (m. Bk. 1, Orange Co.); m2. 5 Jul. 1831 to Eliza Stokely (m. Bk. 1830-7, #38, Jenns. Co.)

23.02--Elizabeth (Betsy) Snowden, b. ca. 1806, KY; m. 5 Aug. 1824 Ison Gwinn (m. Recd. #60, Decatur Co.) He was a Baptist mins. They were living in Schuyler Co., IL, w/3 ch. in 1830 U.S. census.  Another child, Charles, b. ca. 1836, IL, was living in household of Rev. Charles in the 1850 U. S. census.
[John M. Gwin Note: I have found the "Isam Gwin" (to which this person refers) in the fed. cens. of Schuyler Co., IL, in 1830, with a son under five, a daughter under five, and a son 5-9; his wife is age 20-29, and he is age 30-39.  In addition, in the 1840 census of Monroe Co., IL, an Isam Guin is listed as age 30-39 with wife age 20-29 and 3 daughters: two under 5 and one 5-9.  Whether either of these listings is our Isom Gwin II, is not yet proven, however, in my opinion.]

23.03--Nancy Snowden, b. ca. 1808, KY; m. 15 Mar. 1825 to John Newkirk (m. Bk. 1, p. 84, Orange Co.)

23.04--Sarah (Sallie) Snowden, b. ca. 1810, KY; m. 23 Nov. 1830 to George Fear (m. Bk. 60, Decatur Co.); Listed in 1840 U.S. census, Jeans. Co., with 3 children. May have moved about this time, for on 1 Jun. 1840, recds. of Coffee Creek Baptist Church state: "Whereas Geo. Fear and Sally Fear have connected with another denomination, they are considered no longer members with us."

23.05--James (B.) Snowden, b. ca. 1811/12, KY; m1. 9 Nov. 1830 to Elizabeth Fear; m2. 5 Nov. 1834 to Mary Ann Hopkins

23.06--Rachel Snowden, b. ca. 1814, KY; d. ca. 1849; m. 12 Apr. 1835 to Thomas Newkirk

23.07--Margaret Snowden, b. ca. 1816, KY; m. 14 Jul. 1836 to James Brown (m. Bk. 2, Orange Co.)

23.08--Joseph Snowden, b. ca. 1817/18, KY; m1. 28 May 1835 to Sarah Overby; m2. 24 Nov. 1852 to Ginetta Permilla (Nancy) Dean

23.09--Joshua William Snowden, b. 20 Apr. 1820; d. 17 Jul. 1895; m. 1 Oct. 1846 to Mary Robins


Likens Mary B?/Gwin
Posted by: Jack Withers (ID *****8252) Date: September 03, 2006 at 12:06:34
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Looking for Birth information on Mary Likens, born unk., died 1852 Orange Washington Co, married 10/20/1819 Crawford Co, IN to Isom Gwin Jr., born 1797 Lincoln Co, TN, died 1887 Orange, Washington Co, IN.
Thanks,
Jack M. Withers


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From: JAMESTWALL@aol.com
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Subject: ISAM GIVIN/ISAM GWIN IN ILLINOIS, 1830

HERE IS ISAM GIVIN IN ILLINOIS IN THE 1830 FEDERAL CENSUS. IT SHOWS 3 MALES: one UNDER 5; one 5-10; AND one 30-40.  THERE ARE 2 FEMALES: one UNDER 5; AND one 20-30.

IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THE OLDER MALE CHILD IS THE SON OF MARY LIKENS AND THE TWO YOUNGER CHILDREN ARE CHILDREN OF BETSY SNOWDEN?
JIM WALL

1830 United States Federal Census Record about Isam Givin:
Name: Givin, Isam
Township: Miscellaneous Townships
County: McDonough and Schuyler
State: Illinois
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Subject: ISOM GUIN/GWIN IN 1840 FEDERAL CENSUS, MONROE CO., ILLINOIS

ISOM GUIN,  1 MALE 30, UNDER 40 (FARMER); FEMALES: 2 UNDER 5; 1 5 & UNDER 10; & 1 20 & UNDER 30.
 
1840 United States Federal Census Record about Isom Guin

 
 
[John M. Gwin Note: Jim Wall also reports another Isham Guinn in the 1840 census, this one in Wayne Co., TN (see below). Either seems viable to me: i.e., that this son might have moved to Monroe Co., IL (on the Mississippi River immediately south of St. Louis, MO), or that he might have moved to Wayne Co., TN (immediately north of the NW corner of AL).]


Some leads that didn't pan out...


[John M. Gwin Note:   In Feb 2006, Jim Wall sent me the following data on the Guinns buried at the Concord Cemetery in Tippecanoe Co., IN.  We now know, thanks to research results posted on Rootsweb as "Guinns of Augusta co Virginia & Tippecanoe co Indiana", and found by us in Nov 2011, that these are NOT descendents of 22.00--Isham Gwin and Mary Canterbury.  Moses COULD be a brother of our Isham, however, or perhaps a nephew or cousin.]

http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/in/tippecan/cemetery/concord.txt
 

Concord Cemetery, Tippecanoe County, Indiana
Surname
Given Name
Birth
Death
John M. Gwin's Comments
a.--Guinn Hannah w/o Moses 11 Oct 1811 15 Oct 1841
b.--Guinn I. G. 1829 unk. I. G. Guinn! This must be another Isham. Sure enough, gravestone entry "h" below shows that Martha is the wife of an Isam G. Guinn. This then could be their son, I. G. Guinn, Jr.  However, the work done by an unnamed researcher at http://www.riverduck.com/genealogy/gwin/tippegwins/D1.htm, listed in part directly below, clearly shows that these are NOT of our line.
c.--Guinn infant unk. unk.
d.--Guinn Infant child of Moses and S. 14 Apr 1843 unk.
e.--Guinn Infant James D. Guinn unk. unk.
f.--Guinn Jane Rash formerly widow of Wm. H. 68y 10m 7d
[14 Feb 1817]		 21 Dec 1885
g.--Guinn Martha J. d/o Moses and S. 6y 5m 2d
[21 Sep 1846]		 23 Jan 1853
h.--Guinn Martha w/o Isam G. 66y 7m 25d
[23 Feb 1789]		 18 Oct 1855 17. Isam G. GUINN (Moses3, __1) was born in 1829, died on 5 Feb 1908 in Tippecanoe Co, Indiana 11 and was buried in Concord Cem, Lauramie Twp, Tippecanoe Co, Indiana.

While we do not have definitive proof that Isam is Moses's son, Isam lived with Moses in 1848, a boy his age lived with Moses in 1840, and Moses's 1865 divorce petition from Hester Parcels states he has only one child "from a former marriage".

Lafayette, Indiana Directories, 1885-88, 1891 (www.ancestry.com)
Isam Guinn Stockwell Tippecanoe County IN 1885, 1886

1900 census: not found in Tippecanoe co ED 105

Probate papers for his estate, Tippecanoe co, IN:  Jan 1908: Petition of A.B. Guinn to settle estate of Isam G. Guinn. Isam's surviving sons are Albert B. Guinn of Fayette, Iowa, John L. Guinn of Lafayette, Ind., Leander Guinn of Morocco, Ind., William Guinn of Morocco, IN; Floyd Guinn of Morocco, IN, who is the only child of Isam G. Guinn Jr., who was a son of the decedent. Estate value is $3,500.

3 July 1908: Hattie Guinn, widow of Isam G. Guinn dec'd who was the son of the decedent Isam G. Guinn, made claim for $223 against the estate re a promissory note from Isam Sr to Isam Jr. Isam. Jr. died intestate in 189x (not filled in). Part of note was paid in 1894.

Jan 1909: Debits & credits to estate. Heirs named again. Each receives 1/5 of the balance of the estate. Floyd is a minor. The claim of Hattle L. Guinn against the estate was held to be invalid.

1. Census; 1848; Lauramie Twp, Tippecanoe co, Indiana. Listed in 1848 children's enumeration, age not listed, with presumed father Moses Guinn.

Isam married Martha in 1848-1852 in Tippecanoe Co, Indiana. (Martha was born on 21 Feb 1789 14, died on 18 Oct 1855 in Tippecanoe Co, Indiana 16 and was buried in Concord Cem, Lauramie Twp, Tippecanoe Co, Indiana.)

Their children were:

   28 M    i. Moses Mc? GUINN was born on 11 Sep 1853 7, died on 22 Jun 1859 in Tippecanoe Co, Indiana 17 and was buried in Concord Cem, Lauramie Twp, Tippecanoe Co, Indiana.

Isam next married Mary Ann PIERCE on 21 Feb 1856 in Tippecanoe Co, Indiana 12. (Mary Ann PIERCE was born in 1838 and died in 1901.)

Birth & death years from presumed tombstone in Concord Cem in Tippecanoe co:
GUINN Mary A. 1838 1901

This is probably a child of theirs also, same cemetery:  GUINN Rahelle d/o L.G. & M.A. ? May 28, 1863-- L.G. could be I.G. - otherwise, I haven't run into any L.G. Guinns in this period & area
i.--Guinn Mary A. 1838 1901
j.--Guinn Moses Mc? s/o Isam G. & Martha    5y 9m 11d
[11 Sep 1853]		 22 Jun 1859
k.--Guinn Phebe d/o ? unk. 6 Nov 1857
l.--Guinn Rahelle [Rachelle?] d/o L.G. & M.A.  unk. 28 May 1863
m.--Guinn Ruby Ethel d/o A.E. & K.A. 11y 1m 17d
[27 Dec 1883]		 13 Jan 1895
n.--Guinn William H. 46y 2m 11d
[20 Jun 1818]		 1 Sep 1864

The following outline is partly speculation; however, it IS based on the above grave stones' stories:

1.00--Isam G. Guinn, b. unk.; d. 1853 or after; m. Martha (nee unk.; b. 21 Feb 1781; d. 18 Oct 1855; see tombstone "h" in chart above)
2.00--Moses Guinn, b. unk. (est. ca. 1810); d. unk.; m1. Hannah (nee unk., b. 11 Oct 1811; d. 15 Oct 1841; see tombstone "a" in chart above); m2. S. (nee unk.)

Moses Guin m2. ca. 1841-1842 to S. (nee unk.):

3.00--Infant child of Moses and S., b. 14 Apr 1843; see tombstone "d" in chart above;

3.00--Martha J. d/o Moses and S., b. 6y 5m 2d [21 Sep 1846]; d. 23 Jan 1853; see tombstone "g" in chart above;

2.00--William H. Guinn, b. 46y 2m 11d [20 Jun 1818]; d. 01 Sep 1864; see tombstone "n" in chart above;

2.00--Moses Mc? Guinn, s/o Isam G. & Martha, b. 11 Sep 1853; d. 22 Jun 1859 [age 5]; see tombstone "j" in chart above;


Name: Isum Guin
[Isam Gwin] 
[Mary Guin] 
[Guin] 
John M. Gwin
Comments
Home in
1900:		 Center,
Martin, IN		 Martin Co. is west of and abutting Orange Co., making this Isam III's location very close to our Isham I's (who, I once thought, could be this Isam III's grandfather).  HOWEVER, SEE NOTES IN RED BOX DIRECTLY BELOW.
Age: 73
DOB: Oct 1826 We know that Virginia Jane Gwin was just older than Isham II (the subject of this page) and was b. in TN in 1795.  We know that Richard W. Gwin was b. in TN in 1807 and was just younger than Isham II.  If Isham II were the father of this Isam (III?), then this 1826 DOB would have been just about perfect.  HOWEVER, SEE NOTES IN RED BOX DIRECTLY BELOW.
POB: Indiana
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relat
 2HoH:		 Head
FPOB:

MPOB:
 VA

TN
OOPS.  These are the only pieces of data (i.e., the places of birth of his parents) in this chart that do not coincide with Isham II being the father of this Isam.  IN FACT, they agree instead with the theory that this Isam is the same as the Isham G. Guinn listed above, whose parents, Moses and Hannah, were indeed born in Virginia and Tennessee, respectively, and are buried in Concord Cem., Tippecanoe Co., IN.



Mar. Stat.: Wd.
Res.: Center Twp. (All S. of White R.), Martin, IN
Household
Members:
Name Age
Isum Guin 73
Edward Guin 33
Lucy E Guin 20
Della M Guin 18
David Guin 14
When I first stumbled onto this 1900 census for an Isam Gwin and four of his kids, I knew this could not be Isham and Mary Canterbury Gwin's son, Isham II, since he was born in TN, not IN, some 25 years before this Isam. However, it seemed VERY possible that this was Isham II's son, whom I here (erroneously) called Isham III.  SEE NOTES IN RED BOX DIRECTLY ABOVE.