Wiley Preston Guinn



Page started 12 Oct 2008
Page updated 22 Jun 2009

Page updated 4 Apr 2012


See our developing theory on the "As-of-yet Unrelated" Gwins.

The reformatting of the name font and census data for this page has been completed. --John M. Gwin, Aug 2011




SOURCES:
1. In October 2008, Mary Lee contacted me concerning this Wiley Preston, her gg-grandfather. While we can't yet connect him to my line, I'd run into his name often in my Alabama searches, and our mutual interest prompted this page for which she has supplied most of this initial data.

2. The various census reports continue to provide this second source of information.

3. In June 2009, a relative who wishes to remain anonymous has provided data concerning eleven ancestors of Wiley Preston Guinn! To contact this relative, please email me.

4. Following up on data from Source #3, I went back to Genforum.com and found a Marken Frazier Gerhardt who claims descent from Charles and (now a 12th ancestor) Elizabeth Husbands Guinn through their oldest daughter Mary Jane Guinn who married Charles Frazier.

5. Jeff Eaton contacted us in Feb 2012 regarding the descendancy of his wife from Wiley Preston Guinn.
    -- John M. Gwin                                      
jmcdgwin@zianet.com                         


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20.00--
unknown Guinn,

21.00--unknown Guinn,

22.00--Charles Guinn, m. Elizabeth Husbands

20.00--James Cole m. Averiler Daniel

21.00--Wm. Fitzgerald, Sr. m. Rebecca Irby

21.00--Jester Cocke m. Sarah Cole

22.00--James Fitzgerald, b. 1760 Amelia Co., VA; d. 17 Apr 1817 Madison Co., AL; m. bef. 1783 to Rebecca Cocke

23.00--Henry Guinn m. Mary Ann Fitzgerald, b. ca. 1792 in VA)

[John M. Gwin Note: Today a relative, "Ann Animas", contacted us with the names of these parents of Wiley P. Guinn and with information about a Genforum posting which further provided Henry's father as a Charles Guinn. Anyone wishing to contact this anonymous cousin may do so through me. ]


24.00--Wiley Preston Guinn, b. Dec. 28, 1832 in Choctaw Co., AL; d. 9 May 1892 in Cooke Co., TX; bd. Valley View Cem., Valley View, Cooke Co., TX (headstone not found)--Find A Grave Memorial# 34795736; m1. Aletha A. E. Hough (b. 1836; d. unk.; bd. unk.); at least 5 ch.; wd.? div.?; m2. M. E. Kelley (b. ca. 1854; d. unk.; bd. unk.); unk. ch.
[Since there are two Wiley P Guinns living in Alabama in the 1860 census (see below), this is possibly ours (50/50 chance?) listed as W. P. Guynn, 20, farmer b. in AL, in the 4 Nov 1850 census of Clarke Co., AL, and lvg. as a single man in the home of a Ladd family.]
[listed as Wiley P. Guinn, age 27, in the 4 Sep 1860 census of Bladon Spgs. P. O., Choctaw Co., AL]
[listed as W. P. Gwinn, 46, in the 1880 census of Grayson Co., TX]

[listed as Aletha A. E. Guinn, age 23, in the 4 Sep 1860 census of Bladon Spgs. P. O., Choctaw Co., AL]

[listed as M. E. Gwinn, 26, in the 1880 census of Grayson Co., TX]


[Mary Lee Note:  At some point in the marriage of Wiley Preston Guinn and Aletha (Hough) Guinn, Aletha deserted her husband and their children. Wiley remarried later and raised his children and ended up in Texas, where he died. He is buried in the Valley View Cemetery, Cooke Co., Texas. It is unknown what happened to Aletha Hough or where/when she died. Wiley Preston Guinn's second wife's last name was KELLEY. Not much info on her is known yet.]
 
TWO WILEY P. GUINNS, about the same age, living in adjacent Alabama counties in 1860,
and both having moved west in later censuses.
Wiley P. Guinn and Aletha Hough and M. E. Kelley
Here are our Wiley P. and Aletha in 1860 and (with second wife M. E.) in 1880.  (They seem to be hiding from us in 1870, however.
)
Wiley P. Guinn and Hanna Robinson
Clearly these two Wiley P. Guinn families are the same as each other, yet they are not ours.  So who are they?
Name: Wiley P Guinn
Age: 27
Birth Year: abt 1833
Birthplace: Alabama
Home in 1860: Townships 9, 10, 11, and 12, ChoctawAlabama
Gender: Male
Post Office: Bladon Springs
Household Members:
Name Age
Wiley P Guinn 27
Alletha A E Guinn 23
Joana I Guinn 6
Mary J Guinn 4
Alfred H Guinn 2


Name: W. P. Gwinn
Age: 46
Birth Year: abt 1834
Birthplace: Alabama
Home in 1880: Grayson, Texas
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: M. E. Gwinn
Father's Birthplace: Alabama
Mother's Birthplace: Alabama
Household
Members:
Name Age
W. P. Gwinn 46
M. E. Gwinn 26
W. F. B. Gwinn 18
Name: Wiley P Gwyn
Age in 1860: 31
Birth Year: abt 1829
Birthplace: Alabama
Home in 1860: ClarkeAlabama
Gender: Male
Post Office: Grove Hill
Household Members:
Name Age
Wiley P Gwyn 31
Hannah Gwyn 30
William A Gwyn 6
Sarah Gwyn 4
James R Gwyn 2
Levi P Gwyn 5/12
Name: W P Guinn
Age in 1870: 41
Birth Year: abt 1829
Birthplace: Alabama
Home in 1870: Sugarloaf, Sebastian, Arkansas
Race: White
Gender: Male
Post Office: Sugarloaf
Household Members:
Name Age
W P Guinn 41
Hanna Guinn 41
William Guinn 16
Sarah Guinn 14
James R Guinn 13
Levi Guinn 10
Jemiama Guinn 7
Walter Guinn 4
At first glance, one would think that the marriage record below refers to the couple on the right, above.  And that thought would be correct.  However, closer scrutiny would uncover the given name of the surety for that marriage as that of Hough--which happens to be the maiden name of the OTHER Wiley's wife!  How's that?  What's going on here?

From Alabama Marriages, 1809-1920 (Selected Counties)
Spouse 1: Wiley P. Gwynn
Spouse 2: Hanna Robinson
Marriage Date: 29 Sep 1852
Marriage Place: Clarke
Surety/Perf. Name: Hough Calhoun
OSPage: 182


25.01-- Joanna I. Guinn, b. 30 Dec 1854; d. 13 Jan 1913 at age 58; bd. Oaklawn Cem., Decatur, Wise Co., TX--Find A Grave Memorial# 44009721--she is mistakenly listed on Findagrave as QUINN, but her headstone's photo is here which confirms she is Joanna GUINN; m. E. A. Parr (b. unk.; d. unk.; bd. unk.); at least one ch.  DESCENDANTS POSSIBLE
[listed as Joana I. Guinn, age 6, in the 4 Sep 1860 census of Bladon Spgs. P. O., Choctaw Co., AL]

26.00--Parr--Joanna's gravestone photo not only confirms that here maiden name is Guinn, it also makes clear that she and E. A. had at least one child; its simple inscription is "MOTHER".

25.02-- Mary Jane Guinn, b. 1857; d. unk.; bd. unk.; m. Charles Jacob DeMoss (b. Feb 1860; d. 17 Dec 1933; bd. unk.); unk. ch.
[listed as Mary J. Guinn, age 4, in the 4 Sep 1860 census of Bladon Spgs. P. O., Choctaw Co., AL]

[Jeff Eaton Note:  I was reading through this web page, and noticed there was a question of Wiley’s whereabouts in 1850.  I attached a scan of the 1850 Federal Census in Clark County, Alabama, that lists a “W. P. Guynn”.  My wife descends from this family through Wiley’s daughter, Mary Jane.  Jeff Eaton, Monsoon66atsbcglobaldotnet]

26.00--Mrs. Eaton's grandparent [PRIVATE]

27.00--Mrs. Eaton's parent [PRIVATE]

26.00--Mrs. Eaton m. Jeff Eaton, CONTRIBUTOR (Findagrave.com member #46497752) [PRIVATE]

25.03--Alfred Henry Guinn, b. May 1858 in Choctaw Co., AL; d. 1945 in Dallas Co., TX; bd. unk., but prob. in Dallas Co., TX; m. 1883 to Martha Bell Farley (b. May 1858; d. unk.; bd. unk.); 10 known ch. [Martha reports 10 of 10 ch. lvg. in the 15 Apr 1910 census of Pct. #3, Navarro Co.,TX]
[listed as Alfred H. Guinn, age 2, in the 4 Sep 1860 census of Bladon Spgs. P. O., Choctaw Co., AL]
[age 42 in the Jun 1900 census of Jus. Pct. #2, Navarro Co.,TX];
[age 52 in the 15 Apr 1910 census of Pct. #3, Navarro Co.,TX]

26.01--Nannie Bell Guinn, b. Apr 1885 in Kerens, Navarro Co., TX; d. 1957, Irving, Dallas Co., TX; bd. unk.; m. Robert F. Sims (b. ca. 1876; d. betw. 1915 and 1920; bd. unk.) 3 ch.
[age 15 in the Jun 1900 census of Jus. Pct. #2, Navarro Co.,TX];
[does not appear in Alfred's and Martha's home in the 15 Apr 1910 census of Pct. #3, Navarro Co.,TX, and assumed married and living elsewhere]

[age 34, in the 15 Apr 1910 census of Pct. #3, Navarro Co.,TX]

27.01--Robert L. Sims, b. in TX ca. 1908
; d. unk.; bd. unk.; m. unk.; unk ch. DESCENDANTS POSSIBLE
[age 12 in the 2 Jan 1920 census of Pct. #3, Navarro Co.,TX]

27.02--Hamer C. Sims, b. in TX ca. Jun 1911; d. unk.; bd. unk.; m. unk.; unk ch. DESCENDANTS POSSIBLE
[age 8yr/7mo in the 2 Jan 1920 census of Pct. #3, Navarro Co.,TX]

27.03--Martha "Mattie" Sims, b. in TX ca. Feb 1915; d. unk.; bd. unk.; m. unk.; unk ch. DESCENDANTS POSSIBLE
[listed as "Mattie", age 4yr/11mo, in the 2 Jan 1920 census of Pct. #3, Navarro Co.,TX]

26.02--Alfred Baker Guinn, b. Apr 1886 in Powell, Navarro Co., TX; d. 1969; bd. unk.; m. Mandie (nee unk.; b. ca. 1890 in TX; d. unk.; bd. unk.) at least 5 ch.
[age 14 in the Jun 1900 census of Jus. Pct. #2, Navarro Co.,TX];
[listed as "Baker"  age 23 and single, in the 15 Apr 1910 census of Pct. #3, Navarro Co.,TX];
[age 33 in the 2 Jan 1920 census of Pct. #3, Navarro Co.,TX]

[listed as Mandie Guinn, age 30, in the 2 Jan 1920 census of Pct. #3, Navarro Co.,TX]

27.01--Eula Guinn, b. ca. Sep 1911
; d. unk.; bd. unk.; m. unk.; unk ch. DESCENDANTS POSSIBLE
[age 8yr/5mo in the 2 Jan 1920 census of Pct. #3, Navarro Co.,TX]

27.02--Floyd Guinn, b. ca. Nov 1913; d. unk.; bd. unk.; m. unk.; unk ch. DESCENDANTS POSSIBLE
[age 6yr/3mo in the 2 Jan 1920 census of Pct. #3, Navarro Co.,TX]

27.03--Chester Guinn, b. ca. Feb 1915; d. unk.; bd. unk.; m. unk.; unk ch. DESCENDANTS POSSIBLE
[age 4yr/11mo in the 2 Jan 1920 census of Pct. #3, Navarro Co.,TX]

27.04--Elmer Guinn, b. ca. Feb 1917; d. unk.; bd. unk.; m. unk.; unk ch. DESCENDANTS POSSIBLE
[age 2yr/11mo in the 2 Jan 1920 census of Pct. #3, Navarro Co.,TX]

27.05--Clady B. Guinn, b. ca. Oct 1919; d. unk.; bd. unk.; m. unk.; unk ch. DESCENDANTS POSSIBLE
[age 4mo in the 2 Jan 1920 census of Pct. #3, Navarro Co.,TX]

26.03--Pearl Guinn, b. Mar 1888, Dallas Co., TX; d. 1968, Dallas, TX; m. unk. (b. unk.; d. unk. bd. unk.) unk. ch.  DESCENDANTS POSSIBLE
[age 12 in the Jun 1900 census of Jus. Pct. #2, Navarro Co.,TX];
[listed as "Pearl", age 21 and single, in the 15 Apr 1910 census of Pct. #3, Navarro Co.,TX]

26.04--Harrison Rufus Guinn, b. Mar 1890, Dallas, TX; d. 1944, Corsicana, Navarro Co., TX; bd. unk.; m. unk. (b. unk.; d. unk. bd. unk.) unk. ch.  DESCENDANTS POSSIBLE
[age 10 in the Jun 1900 census of Jus. Pct. #2, Navarro Co.,TX];
[does not appear in Alfred's and Martha's home in the 15 Apr 1910 census of Pct. #3, Navarro Co.,TX, and assumed married and living elsewhere]

26.05--Rose Etta Guinn, b. May 1891; d. 1961, Borger, Hutchinson Co., TX; bd. Amarillo, Potter Co., TX; m. in 1909 in Navarro Co., TX, to Woodford Henry Irwin (b. 1886 in TX/IN/TX; d. unk. bd. unk.); 5 ch.
[age 9 in the Jun 1900 census of Jus. Pct. #2, Navarro Co.,TX];
[does not appear in Alfred's and Martha's home in the 15 Apr 1910 census of Pct. #3, Navarro Co.,TX, and assumed married and living elsewhere]
[listed as Rosa Irwin, age 28, in the 7 Feb 1920 census of Pct. #2, Navarro Co.,TX]
[listed as Rose E. Irwin, age 39 and b. TX/AL/KY, in the 5 Apr 1930 census of Pct. #3, Armstrong Co.,TX]

[listed as Woodford Irwin, age 34 and b. TX/IN/TX, in the 7 Feb 1920 census of Pct. #2, Navarro Co.,TX]
[listed as Henry W. Irwin, age 45 and b. TX/IN/TX(or IN), in the 5 Apr 1930 census of Pct. #3, Armstrong Co.,TX]

Woodford Henry Irwin
Birth:  1885
Death:  Aug. 28, 1952 in Phillips, Hutchinson Co., TX

Woodford Henry Irwin, 67, of 102 Ostrom St., Phillips, died suddenly at 9 a.m. today at his home.

Irwin, a long time resident of Borger, was retired. Survivors include, in addition to his wife, Rose Etta Irwin; three sons, Henry Lowell, Phillips; K.S., Amarillo, L.L., Pampa; one daughter, Mrs. E.R. Jones, Borger; three brothers, Frank, Corsicana; Tom, Stamford; and Clayton, Brownsville; three sisters, Mrs. Clara Fortner, Richland; Mrs. Florence McPherson, Tulsa, Okla.; and Mrs. John Magness, Wortham, Tex.

Funeral arrangements are pending.

(Published in Borger News Herald, August 28, 1952)

---------------------------------------------------------

Funeral services will be conducted Saturday afternoon at 3 o'clock for W. H. Irwin, 67, of 102 Ostrom Street, Phillips.

A resident of the area for the last 25 years, Irwin died at his home Thursday morning after a heart attack.

The services will be in the Phillips Methodist Church with the Rev. John English officiating.  Interment will be in the Memorial Park Cem., Amarillo.

(Published in Borger News Herald, August 29, 1952)

Family links: 
 Spouse:  Rose Etta Guinn Irwin (1891 - 1961)*
 Child:  Kirven S. Irwin (1909 - 1999)*
 
Burial:  Mem. Pk. Cem., Amarillo, Potter Co., TX--Find A Grave Memorial# 74097848


27.01--Kirven S. Irwin, b. 1909 (fr. tombstone); d. 1999 (fr. tombstone); bd. Plot: "Venetian Well" section, Mem. Pk. Cem., Amarillo, Potter Co., TX--Find A Grave Memorial# 53426867; m. Evelyn L. Jones (b. 16 Apr 1914 in Clarendon, TX; d. 22 Jul 2009 in Amarillo, TX; bd. Plot: "Venetian Well" section, Mem. Pk. Cem., Amarillo, Potter Co., TX--Find A Grave Memorial# 39814385); unk ch. DESCENDANTS POSSIBLE
[listed as Kirvin Irwin, age 10, in the 7 Feb 1920 census of Pct. #2, Navarro Co.,TX]
[listed as Kirwen S. Irwin, age 20 and b. TX, in the 5 Apr 1930 census of Pct. #3, Armstrong Co.,TX]


CYPRESS - Evelyn L. Irwin, 95, died July 22, 2009.

Memorial services will be at 2 p.m. Saturday in Windwood Presbyterian Church. Graveside services will be at 10 a.m. Tuesday in Memorial Park Cemetery in Amarillo with the Rev. Charlie Jones, her longtime former pastor, officiating. Arrangements are by Kingwood Funeral Home.

Evelyn L. Irwin, beloved mother to four sons, grandmother to seven grandchildren and great-grandmother to seven great-grandchildren, was born April 16, 1914, in Clarendon, where she met and married her husband of 68 years, Kirven S. Irwin.

She displayed the "can-do," "make-do" or "do-without" spirit that came from weathering two World Wars and surviving the Great Depression. By her diligence, she made the hard dirt and adverse growing conditions of the Texas Panhandle produce fruits, vegetables and flowers. Her pear preserves were a treat, and her fried chicken can never be duplicated. But her real artistry was with needle and thread. She could sew anything she could see or imagine, from outfitting herself and her children, to stitching Barbie clothes, making canvas fishing floater rigs and even fashioning her eldest granddaughter's wedding dress. She loved to catch fish and was good at it. She's probably baiting a hook with her husband right now.

The family would like to express deep appreciation for the loving care given by the staff at Ainsley Courte and devoted care by the staff and nurses at The Heritage in Tomball.

She will be laid to rest beside her beloved husband. They were longtime members of Second Baptist Church of Amarillo.

Her parents, Charlie and Avie Rilla Jones; her husband; a son, Mitchell; and a grandson, Alan, preceded her in death.

Survivors include three sons, Vern and wife Betty and Jerry and wife Kathy, all of Houston, and Terry and wife Jo Helen of New Orleans. Evelyn was from a large family of 12 children, with only her sister, Clarice Hall, of Clarendon surviving.

Amarillo Globe-News, July 24, 2009



28.01--Mitchell D. Irwin, b. 2 Jan 1933 in Donley Co., TX; d. bef. 2009 (preceded mother in death); bd. unk.; m. unk.; unk. ch. (orig. data fr. usgwarchives.net website)

28.02--Vern Irwin, b.  in Donley Co., TX; d. unk.; bd. unk.; m. Betty (nee unk.); unk. ch. (orig. data fr. Evelyn Jones Irwin's obit.)

28.03--Jerry Irwin, b.  in Donley Co., TX; d. unk.; bd. unk.; m. Kathy (nee unk.); unk. ch. (orig. data fr. Evelyn Jones Irwin's obit.)

28.04--Terry Irwin, b.  in Donley Co., TX; d. unk.; bd. unk.; m. Jo Helen (nee unk.); unk. ch. (orig. data fr. Evelyn Jones Irwin's obit.)

27.02--Thella Irwin, dau, b. ca. 1915; d. unk.; bd. unk.; m. unk.; unk ch. DESCENDANTS POSSIBLE
[listed as Thella Irwin, age 5, in the 7 Feb 1920 census of Pct. #2, Navarro Co.,TX]
[listed as Thella Irwin, age 15 and b. TX, in the 5 Apr 1930 census of Pct. #3, Armstrong Co.,TX]

27.03--Henry Lowell Irwin, b. ca. Jan 1917; d. unk.; bd. unk.; m. unk.; unk ch. DESCENDANTS POSSIBLE
[listed as Lowell Irwin, age 3 y 2 m, in the 7 Feb 1920 census of Pct. #2, Navarro Co.,TX]
[listed as Henry L. Irwin, age 13 and b. TX, in the 5 Apr 1930 census of Pct. #3, Armstrong Co.,TX]

27.04--Lionel Irwin, b. ca. 1923; d. unk.; bd. unk.; m. unk.; unk ch. DESCENDANTS POSSIBLE
[listed as Loinel Irwin, age 7 and b. NM, in the 5 Apr 1930 census of Pct. #3, Armstrong Co.,TX]

27.05--Mr. Irwin [PRIVATE]

28.00--Mary Lee, CONTRIBUTOR [PRIVATE]

26.06--Joanna "Anna" "Josie" Guinn, b. May 1892, Corsicana, Navarro Co., TX; d. 1970; bd. unk.; m. unk. (b. unk.; d. unk. bd. unk.) unk. ch.  DESCENDANTS POSSIBLE
[age 8 in the Jun 1900 census of Jus. Pct. #2, Navarro Co.,TX];
[listed as "Josie", age 17 and single, in the 15 Apr 1910 census of Pct. #3, Navarro Co.,TX]

26.07--Laura A. Guinn, b. Aug 1893; d. unk.; bd. unk.; m. unk. (b. unk.; d. unk. bd. unk.) unk. ch.  DESCENDANTS POSSIBLE
[age 6 in the Jun 1900 census of Jus. Pct. #2, Navarro Co.,TX];
[does not appear in Alfred's and Martha's home in the 15 Apr 1910 census of Pct. #3, Navarro Co.,TX, and assumed married and living elsewhere]

26.08--John W. Guinn, b. May 1895; d. unk.; bd. unk.; m. unk. (b. unk.; d. unk. bd. unk.); div. bef. Feb 1920; unk. ch.  DESCENDANTS POSSIBLE
[age 5 in the Jun 1900 census of Jus. Pct. #2, Navarro Co.,TX];
[listed as "Johnnie", age 13 and single, in the 15 Apr 1910 census of Pct. #3, Navarro Co.,TX]
[listed as John W. Guinn, brother-in-law, age 22 and divorced, in the 7 Feb 1920 census of Pct. #2, Navarro Co.,TX, and living with his sister and brother-in-law, Rose and Henry Woodford Irwin]

26.09--Velma V. Guinn, b. ca. 1901, Navarro Co., TX; d. 1969 in Pasadena, Harris Co., TX; bd. unk.; m. unk. (b. unk.; d. unk. bd. unk.) unk. ch.  DESCENDANTS POSSIBLE
[does not appear in the Jun 1900 census of Jus. Pct. #2, Navarro Co.,TX and assumed b. after 1900];
[listed as "Velma", age 9 and single, in the 15 Apr 1910 census of Pct. #3, Navarro Co.,TX]

26.10--William Preston "Willie" Guinn, b. ca. 1905; d. unk.; bd. unk.; m. unk. (b. unk.; d. unk. bd. unk.) unk. ch.  DESCENDANTS POSSIBLE
[does not appear in the Jun 1900 census of Jus. Pct. #2, Navarro Co.,TX and assumed b. after 1900];
[listed as "Willie", age 21 and single, in the 15 Apr 1910 census of Pct. #3, Navarro Co.,TX]

25.04--Wiley Franklin Baker Guinn, b. 1862; d. 1950; bd. unk.; m. 1891 to Laura Bell Martin (b. unk.; d. unk. bd. unk.) unk. ch.  DESCENDANTS POSSIBLE
[listed as W. F. B. Gwinn, 18, in the 1880 census of Grayson Co., TX]

25.05--John H. Guinn, b. 1864; d. 1865; bd. unk.; m. never  DESCENDANTS NOT POSSIBLE

23.00--
Mary Jane Guinn m. Charles Frazier
DESCENDANTS POSSIBLE




Some Pertinent Census Data



From the 15 Oct 1850 Census of [Bladon Springs?] Choctaw Co., AL
Res/Fam
Name
Sex Age
Est DOB
fr. age
POB
Value
Real Est.
Occ.
John M. Gwin Comments
----/171
James Guinn
m
22
1828
AL
100
planter
We started this census search in 1860 and found Wiley--and possibly his mother (see below). 1850 is our second stop. I am hoping and expecting to find Wiley living with his parents. I'm also hoping and expecting to find some older siblings. For example, this James could be an older brother of Wiley.

Nancy Guinn f
23
1827 SC




Manerva Guinn f
3
1847 AL



----/173
Charles Guinn m
29
1821 AL
-----
"Tuner"?
And two doors away, this Charles could be another.

Elisabeth Guinn f
27
1823 AL




Mary Jane Guinn f
7
1843 AL




Ann E. Guinn f
3
1847 MS




E. H. Guinn m
1
1849 AL



----/165
Francis A. Guinn
m
38
1812 AL
2000
miller
Six doors away in the other direction is Francis, yet another possible brother of Wiley.

Mary B. Guinn f
40
1810 NC




Sarah A. Guinn f
16
1834 AL



Angeline Guinn f
14
1836 AL



Charles Guinn m
11
1839 AL



Reuben Guinn m
9
1841 AL



Jesse Guinn m
6
1844
AL










But where are Wiley and his parents? He reports in 1860 that he was born in AL, so where were they when the 1850 census came? I can't find them anywhere--in AL or not.










From the 4 Sep 1860 Census of Bladon Springs, Choctaw Co., AL
Res/Fam
Name
Sex Age
Est DOB
fr. age
POB
Prop. Val.
Real/Pers
Occ.
John M. Gwin Comments
394/394
Wiley P. Guinn
m
27
1833
AL
1000/380
farmer
Mary Lee told us about this 1860 census first, and we start our cenwus search here.  Here indeed is Wiley Preston Guinn in the 1860 census, right where she said he'd be. Some additional data can be seen here for other family members as well.

Alletha A. E. Guinn f
23
1837
MS




Joana I. Guinn f
6
1854
AL


The middle initial is clearly an I, not a J, as it is distincly different from the J in Joana and the J following Mary, next.

Mary J. Guinn f
4
1856
AL




Alfred H. Guinn m
2
1858
AL


Alfred Henry Guinn.
341/341
David W. Wright
m
42
1818
AL
1400/470
Meth Clergyman
Hmmm. Living in the same town is this Pastor David Wright and his family, with whom is living...

Rebecca Wright
f
41
1819
AL




Minerva G. Wright f
16
1844
AL




Mary A. Guinn
f
68
1792
VA


...the very Mary A. Guinn of Virginia of whom Mary Lee told me could possibly be Wiley's mother. Good sleuthing, Mary! If it is true that she is Wiley's mother, she was about 41 when Wiley was born, meaning he was likely one of her youngest children if not the youngest. So Wiley likely has older siblings for whom we should watch.  I think the 1850 census of this same town should reveal something.

R. S. Wright m
22
1838
AL













From the Jun 1900 Census of Justice Pct. #2, Navarro Co., TX
Res/Fam
Name
Relat
to HoH
Race/
Sex
DOB Age
MS/
YoM
#Ch./
Ch.Lvg/
POB
S/F/M
Occ.
John M. Gwin Comments
310/315
Alford H. Guinn
head
wm
May 1858
42
m/16

AL/AL/AL
farmer
Here is the family of Alfred and Martha Bell Guinn!

Martha B. Guinn
wife
wf
May 1858
42
m/16
8/8
KY/KY/KY



Nannie B. Guinn daughter
wf
Apr 1885
15
s

TX/AL/KY



Alford B. Guinn son
wm
Apr 1886
14
s

TX/AL/KY farm labor


Pearl Guinn daughter wf
Mar 1888
12
s

TX/AL/KY


Harrison Guinn son
wm
Mar 1890
10
s

TX/AL/KY


Rozetta Guinn daughter wf
May 1891
9
s

TX/AL/KY


Joe A Guinn daughter wf
May 1892
8
s

TX/AL/KY


Laura A. Guinn daughter wf
Aug 1893
6
s

TX/AL/KY
We did not previously know about this daughter.  She has now been added to the outline above, extending the number of children of Alfred and Martha to at least nine.

John Guinn son
wm
May 1895
5
s

TX/AL/KY
We did not previously know about this son.  He has now been added to the outline above, extending the number of children of Alfred and Martha to at least ten.


From the 15 Apr 1910 Census of Pct. #3, Navarro Co., TX
Res/Fam
Name
Relat
to HoH
Race/
Sex
Est.
DOB
Age
MS/
YoM
#Ch./
Ch.Lvg/
POB
S/F/M
Occ.
John M. Gwin Comments
341/346
Alford H. Guinn
head
wm
1858
52
m1/26

MS/MS/MS!
farmer
How strange that the census taker her would quote (actually MISquote) Alfred as being from Mississippi! We know this to not be true, that he was in fact born in Alabama.

Martha B. Guinn
wife
wf
1858
52
m1/26
10/10
KY/KY/KY



Baker Guinn son
wm
1887
23
s

TX/MS/KY farm labor


Pearl Guinn daughter wf
1889
21
s

TX/MS/KY


Josie Guinn daughter wf
1893
17
s

TX/MS/KY


Johnnie Guinn son
wm
1897
13
s

TX/MS/KY


Velma Guinn daughter
wf
1901
9
s

TX/MS/KY


Willie Guinn son
wm
1905
5
s

TX/MS/KY
Aha. Now we have the birth order correct. William is the baby in 1910. We have changed this order in the outline above.
343/348
Robert F. Sims
Head
wm

34
m1/3

KY/TN/TN
farmer


Nannie Sims
wife
wf

25
m1/3
1/1
TX/TX/KY

Several factors give us reason to believe this is the former Nannie Guinn: she has the same first name; she's 25, and our Nannie was age 15 ten years ago; she's living two doors down from our Nannie's parents; and, while Alfred's POB and that of his parents are all out of kilter, she lists KY as her mom's POB as does our Nannie.

Robert L. Sims
son
wm

3
s

TX/KY/TX




From the 2 Jan 1920 Census of Pct. #3, Navarro Co., TX
Res/Fam
Name
Relat
to HoH
Race/
Sex
Est.
DOB
Age
MS/
YoM
POB
S/F/M
Occ.
John M. Gwin Comments
---/8/8
Nannie B. Sims
head
wf
1885
35
w
TX/AL/KY
farmer, gen. farm
Ancestry.com has mistranscribed her name as "Mannie"; however, on close inspection at 200%, I'm certain it's "Nannie". Now I'm further convinced than I was while viewing the 1910 census that this is our Nannie because (1) she finally has given a census report to someone who has recorded the POB of her and her parents accurately--see also the 1910 census above; and (2) her middle initial is listed--B--and our Nannie's middle name is Bell.

Robert L. Sims son
wm
1908
12
s
TX/KY/TX



Hamer C. Sims son
wm
Jun 1911
8yr/7mo
s
TX/KY/TX


Mattie J. Sims daughter
wf
Feb 1914
5yr/11mo
s
TX/KY/TX

---/15/15
Alfred B. Guinn
head
wm
1887
33
m
TX/AL/KY farmer, gen. farm Here's Alfred Baker Guinn, Nannie's brother, who is now married and the father of five more of Wiley Preston Guinn's great-grandchildren.

Mandie Guinn wife
wf
1890
30
m
TX/AL/TX


Eula Guinn daughter
wf
Aug 1911
8yr/5mo
s
TX/TX/TX



Floyd Guinn son
wm
Oct 1913
6yr/3mo
s
TX/TX/TX


Chester Guinn son
wm
Feb 1915
4yr/11mo
s
TX/TX/TX


Elmer Guinn son
wm
Feb 1817
2yr/11mo
s
TX/TX/TX


Clady C. Guinn
daughter
wf
Oct 1919
4mo
s
TX/TX/TX





Some Good Communication


From: Shortilee918ataoldotcom
Date: October 12, 2008
To: JMcDGwin@zianet.com
Subject: Re: Possible Relative, Choctaw, AL.----- GUINN

Hi!
     Thanks for answering my email so fast.
     It was my Grandmother, Rose Etta (GUINN) Irwin, who was the Guinn connection in my family, to Wiley P. Guinn. My grandmother's father (Alfred Henry Guinn) was Wiley P. Guinn's son.
     I appreciate the offer to add my info to your website. Thank you so very much. I'll get all my info together and send it to you.
     I also have a family photo of Alfred Henry Guinn's wife and children, if you have a place to post it. (It's already on a website that pertains to my grandmother's Guinn-Farley connection--Farley's were from Kentucky.)
     Maybe the photo might help in "seeing" similar characteristics of these GUINNs in comparison to others. (It was Alfred Henry Guinn, my g-grandfather, who married a Farley.)
     My goodness, this genealogy can get confusing...haha.
     I'll send the info on my Guinns asap...and again, thanks so much!
God Bless~~~~Mary Lee
   
In a message dated 10/11/2008, JMcDGwin@zianet.com writes:

Hello, Mary Lee--thanks for writing--good to meet you!
I've seen your father's name many times over the years and  often wondered just how he and I are related.
I still have no idea.
But I do have a theory, and I'm fairly convinced it's at least partially true.

I'm fully convinced that my ggggg-grandparents were Richard Gwin and Sarah Chesley, both of whom were allegedly born, raised, and married near Jamestown, VA. I believe that they had at least one son, Isham/Isom, whom we know married Mary Canterbury near Blacksburg, VA, and moved into what is now eastern TN where they raised ten kids. Isham was a Baptist preacher who grew to hate slavery, so when Indiana entered the Union as a free state, he free his slaves, sold his farm, and moved most of his family to southern Indiana. But at least two of their sons, John and William, moved to Alabama (in disagreement with their father), and raised their families there. I descend from John.

Here's the theory, then: Richard had other brothers--and sons--some of whom moved west through what is now WV and OH and into central Indiana. Most of these other IN Gwins descend from a man named Holmes/Homes Gwin whom we believe to be related to Richard.  But others of these VA relatives of Richard moved south through the Carolinas and GA and into AL that way. I think your Wiley could easily have descended from some of them. The names Chesley Gwin and Isom Gwin surface in several of these families; this is our greatest clue and the theory's source.

I'd love to build a page for your family and put it in my "As-of-yet-unrelated Gwins" site, if you're of such a mind. If you haven't seen it yet, it's at www.zianet.com/jmcdgwin/GENEALOGY/SURNAMES/Gwin/gwinsAsOfYetUnrelated.htm .

These pages often (perhaps weekly) result in others contacting us--just as you did tonight--with additional information about the various published lines. The page is on my site, so I act as the webmaster, but the page will be partially yours as well, and I'll make additions, revisions, and/or deletions at your direction. As others send in things, the page will melt together as have so many others in the past.

Yours would start off similar to this mockup of what you've sent so far:

4.00--Wiley Preston Guinn, b. ca. 1834 [age 26 in the 1860 census of Choctaw Co., AL; d. unk.; bd. unk.; m. ________ (b. ; d.; bd.); sev. ch.
..........5.00--Alfred Henry Guinn, b. ca. 1858
...........................6.00-- (Mary's grandfather)
......................................7.00-- (Mary's father)
............................................8.00--Mary Lee

Please let me know what you think.

Best to you,
In Jesus,
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On Oct 11, 2008, Shortilee918ataoldotcom wrote:

My great-great grandfather was the Wiley P. (Preston) Guinn, born abt. 1833-35, who shows up on the 1860 Fed. census, along with his wife and children, in Choctaw Co., AL.
Their son, Alfred H. (Henry) Guinn, born ca. 1858, was my great-grandfather.
If you think these Guinns connect with yours, please email me back.
We think Mary A. Guinn, born abt. 1792, VA., was Wiley P. (Preston) Guinn's mother, but we do not know to which of the Guinn men she was married.
Thanks~~~~Mary Lee


From: Shortilee918ataoldotcom
Date: October 12, 2008
To: JMcDGwin@zianet.com
Subject: MY GUINN LINE

My Guinn Line: Any info/connections, please email me at Shortilee918 at aol dot com
 
Wiley Preston Guinn, b.1832 in Choctaw Co., Ala.--d. 1892, Cooke Co., Tx.
{His parents are still unknown. We "think" his mother may have been Mary (?) Guinn.}
Wiley married, first: Aletha Hough, b. 1836 d. unk. Their children were as follows:
                                   a. Joanna Guinn, b.1854 - d.1913---married a Van Parr.
                                   b. Mary J. Guinn, b. 1857- d. unk.---married Charles Jacob DeMoss.
                                  *c. Alfred Henry Guinn, (my g-grandfather), b.1858 in Choctaw Co,
                                        Ala., d.1945, in Dallas Co., Tx.--- married in 1883, to Martha Bell
                                        Farley. Their known children were:
                                                    1. Alfred Baker Guinn
                                                    2. Nannie Bell Guinn
                                                    3. Pearl Guinn
                                                    4. Harrison Rufus Guinn
                                                   *5. Rose Etta Guinn, (my grandmother), 1891-1961,
                                                         married Woodford Henry Irwin, in 1909, Navarro Co, Tx.
                                                    6. Velma Guinn
                                                    7. Joanna Guinn
                                                    8. William Preston Guinn
                                   d. Wiley Franklin Baker Guinn, b. 1862 d. 1950---married Laura
                                        Bell Martin in 1891.
                                   e. John H. Guinn, b. 1864 d. 1865

       

Hi!
     The page looks great! I appreciate your doing it, so much!
      There are some corrections, though, since I got to see the page itself...minor, I suppose, but I'll let you be the judge of that.
      ROSE ETTA (GUINN) IRWIN, daughter of Alfred Henry Guinn and Martha Bell (Farley) Guinn, was my Dad's mother, and not my Mom's. Rose Etta Guinn-Irwin had 5 children: a daughter who died at 5-months old; 2 sons who died in the late 1990's; a daughter who is still living and is 94; and a son, (my Dad), who is 86 now.
      Also, I found the birth dates/death dates, this morning, for some of Alfred Henry Guinn's children, if you think that would be helpful and where some are buried. Let me know. [My 94-year-old aunt provided me with this info.]
     I'll probably just send you what I now have, per my conversation with my aunt this morning, and you can decide whether it should be included, okay? I'm relatively "new" to what details to include. So sorry for the lack of experience in compiling info...I'm working on it, though.
     Have a great day and be blessed~~~~Mary Lee



Here's additional information on some of the children of
MARTHA BELL (Farley) GUINN and ALFRED HENRY GUINN,  son of Wiley Preston Guinn and Aletha (Hough) Guinn.
        (not in order of birth)
       1. Alfred Baker Guinn, b.1886, in Powell, Navarro Co., Tx., d.1969.
       2. Nannie Bell Guinn, b.1884, in Kerens, Navarro Co., Tx., d.1957, Irving,
           Dallas Co., Tx.
       3. Pearl Guinn, b.1888, Dallas Co., Tx., d.1968, Dallas, Tx.
       4. Harrison Rufus Guinn, b.1889, Dallas, Tx., d.1944, Corsicana, Navarro Co., Tx.
       5. Rose Etta Guinn, b.1891, Powell, Navarro Co., Tx., m. Woodford Henry Irwin,1909,
           Navarro Co., Tx.; d.1961, Borger, Hutchinson Co., Tx. [She and Mr. Irwin had 5
           children; two of which are still living, as of 2008, ages 94 and 86.] Rose and Mr. Irwin
           are both buried in Amarillo, Potter Co., Tx.]
        6.Velma V. Guinn, b.1900, Navarro Co., Tx., d.1969, Pasadena, Harris County, TX.
        7. Anna Guinn, b. 1893, Corsicana, Navarro Co., Tx., d. 1970
 
PS: Sorry for the late additions.
                                                                                                                 God Bless,
                                                                                                                 ~~~Mary Lee




Following is a copy of Genforum.com posting no. 1044 on the Cocke Family Forum posted 23 Jun 2009 and entitled Descendants of Rebecca COCKE, d/o Jester COCKE and Sarah COLE.


Thanks to Phil Crowther for his extensive research on Charles COCKE and Jester COCKE - AKA: Jester COX - Jester COKE - Jester COCKES - Jester COCHES - Jester COCK - Jester COCKS
The parents of Jester COCKE are unknown.
Rebecca is the daughter of Jester and Sarah Cole COCKE. (Sarah is the daughter of James and Averiler Daniel COLE.)

Descendants of Rebecca Cocke:
1 Rebecca Cocke b: Bef. 1765 VA d: Aft. 1817 ..+James Fitzgerald b: 1760 Amelia County, VA d: 17 Apr 1817 Madison County, AL m: Bef. 1783 Father: William (Sr) Fitzgerald Mother: Elizabeth Irby
..........2 John (Sr) Fitzgerald b: 1783 VA d: 1875 Washington County, AR ....+Mary Ann Couch b: 09 Mar 1794 Orange County, NC d: Bet. 1861 - 1870 m: 1808 Ashe County, NC Father: Edward Couch Mother: Mary Whitworth
....................3 James Fitzgerald b: 01 Jul 1809 Madison County, AL
....................3 Isaac Selby Fitzgerald b: 17 Dec 1814 AL d: 14 Oct 1894 Hess County, OK
....................3 John (Jr) Fitzgerald b: 19 Jan 1833 AR d: Aft. 1850
....................3 Elmyra Fitzgerald b: 1837 AR d: Aft. 1850
.......... 2 Mary Ann Fitzgerald b: 1792 VA d: ca 1870 Choctaw County, AL ....+Henry Guinn b: ca 1792 NC d: ca 1844 Choctaw County, AL m: ca 1810 Madison County, AL Father: Charles Guinn
....................3 Wesley Guinn b: 1810 AL d: Aft. 1850 ......+Jane (Guinn) b: 1820 TN d: Aft. 1850 m: Bef. 1834
....................3 Francis A. Guinn b: 1812 AL d: Aft. 1850 ......+Mary B. (Guinn) b: 1810 NC d: Aft. 1850 m: Bef. 1834
....................3 Elizabeth Guinn b: 1816 AL d: Aft. 1850 ......+Jesse Austin Wright b: 13 Jan 1812 Laurens County, SC d: Aft. 1850 m: Bef. 1833 Father: James Wright Mother: Nancy Clardy
....................3 Rebecca Guinn b: 1819 AL d: Aft. 1860 ......+David W. Wright b: 1818 AL d: Aft. 1860 m: Bef. 1838 Father: James Wright Mother: Nancy Clardy
....................3 Charles Franklin Guinn b: 1821   d: 1891 Collins County, TX ......+Elizabeth Husbands b: 1823 Bibb County, AL d: Aft. 1863 m: Bef. 1842
....................3 James W. Guinn b: 1828 AL d: Aft. 1850 ......+Nancy (Guinn) b: 1827 AL   d: Aft. 1850 m: Bef. 1847
....................3 Wiley P. Guinn b: 1833 AL d: Aft. 1860 ......+Aletha A. E. (Guinn) b: 1837 MS d: Aft. 1860
.......... 2 Nancy Fitzgerald b: Bef. 1794   d: Aft. 1817 ....+Alexander Baxter b: Bef. 1794 d: Aft. 1812   m: 17 Jan 1812 Madison County, AL
.......... 2 Pheba Fitzgerald b: Bef. 1797   d: Aft. 1817 ....+John ? Hellums b: Bef. 1797 d: Aft. 1809   m: Bef. 1817
.......... 2 Elizabeth Fitzgerald b: Bef. 1798 VA d: 1837 Wolf Creek, Pike County, AR ....+John (Sr) Humphrey b: Bef. 1796 d: Bef. 1820 Madison County, AL m: 12 Dec 1814 Madison County, AL
....................3 Nancy Humphrey b: Bet. 1814 - 1820
....................3 James Humphrey b: Bet. 1814 - 1820
....................3 John Humphrey b: Bet. 1814 - 1820
.......... *2nd Husband of Elizabeth Fitzgerald....+Elijah (Sr) Kelley b: 14 Sep 1800 Jackson County, TN d: 26 Aug 1884 Wolf Creek, Pike County, AR m: 1820 Madison County, AL   Father: Giles Kelley Mother: Martha Ford DeJarnette
....................3 Nancy Kelley b: 26 Feb 1829 Clark County, AR d: 11 Oct 1870 Jefferson County, TX......+Andrew Jackson Ward b: 13 Jul 1818 Clark County, AR d: 10 Mar 1867 Jefferson County, TX; m: Bef. 1849 Father: James Isaac Ward Mother: Mildred Clark Gentry
.......... 2 Theodorick Fitzgerald b: Bef. 1799 d: Bet. 1817 - 1831 ....+Harriett Johnston b: Bef. 1801 d: Aft. 1831 m: 21 Mar 1817 Madison County, AL
....................3 Sallie Harriett Fitzgerald b: Aft. 1817 2 Rebecca Fitzgerald b: Aft. 1799





From:
Date: July 24, 2009 2:20:28 PM MDT
To: jmcdgwin@zianet.com (John Gwin)
Subject: !!!   Re: private, re:Guinn, Wiley Preston


Hi again....

Just in case you are interested, I wanted to alert you that I just found out that *allegedly* there exists a will for James FITZGERALD, AKA: James Fitz GERALD.

With info from Phil Crowther, I was able alert a descendant who has researched the FITZGERALDS about Jester COCKE and his daughter Mary Ann who married James FITZGERALD - whose daughter Mary Ann Fitzgerald GUINN is the mother of Wiley Preston GUINN.

Anyway, due to the paucity of information about Jester COCKE, his daughter Mary Ann Cocke FITZGERALD and her daughter Mary Ann Fitzgerald GUINN -- I thought that the discovery of a will for James FITZGERALD *might* be of interest to you.

HOPEFULLY, the poster will email a copy of it to Phil, so that the contents can be posted online.

TAKE CARE!!!

READ THE GENFORUM POSTING HERE:

http://genforum.genealogy.com/guinn/messages/1941.html

Re: Frazier/Guinn Cherokee application
Posted by: Paul Gerhardt (ID *****3588) Date: July 13, 2009 at 21:42:47
In Reply to: Re: Frazier/Guinn Cherokee application by Maranda Jane Cockrell of 1945

Maranda,
Thank you very much for your help. I'm looking forward to investigating the Cocke family and the connection to the Fitzgerald family. I do have a copy of James Fitzgerald's (Fitz Gerald)will found in Madison Co., Al.
Sincerely, Marken Gerhardt





Re: Frazier/Guinn Cherokee application
Posted by: Maranda Jane Cockrell (ID *****9462) Date: July 24, 2009 at 12:45:25
In Reply to: Re: Frazier/Guinn Cherokee application by Paul Gerhardt of 1945


Hello, Marken!

Hello, Marken!

I had NO idea that there was a will available for James Fitzgerald AKA James Fitz Gerald.

Is it posted anywhere online?

Phil Crowther has an extensive website about his ancestor, Charles COCKE -- who many people presume was the brother of Jester COCKE.

Here are 2 pages on his website where the surname FITZGERALD is mentioned:


http://home.southwind.net/~crowther/Cocke/Jester.htm

http://home.southwind.net/~crowther/Cocke/_StateAR.htm

Phil has also brought together all the information about Jester COCKE, the father-in-law of James Fitz Gerald -- there are quite a few pages on his website devoted to *the* Jesters, PLURAL - as there seem to be (at least) 5 different individuals by this name.

ONE of them is the father of Mary Ann who married James FITZGERALD.

Can you email a copy of the will to Phil? OR... can you transcribe it in a posting on genforum?

Thanks so much, Marken!